| The Incredible Mirza Hairat Dehlawi Respected friends,
The incredible Mirza Hairat Dehlawi was a devoted student of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan.
He was a versatile scholar, journalist, poet, literary figure, historian and editor of a newspaper at the juncture of the 19th and 20th centuries. He wrote some revolutionary books and edited a popular newspaper. He was a force to reckon with against all sectarianism, Shiism, Sunnism and Qadianiat.
He convincingly disproved the so-called incidence of Karbala with strong logic and documentation.
He was fluent in English, Urdu, Hindi, Persian and Arabic. In 1912, he wrote the editorial and critical review on a translation of the Koran done by three orientalists.
Mirza Dehlawi's following line created furor in the scholastic circles of England more than in India:
"Bukhari, Moslim and most of the Imams of Hadith and History were Mughbachas; catamites and sodomites."
"The Koran", Editorial Note by Mirza Hairat Dehlawi, 1912.
When challenged in a court of law, he successfully defended his stance with logic and sound knowledge.
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--- On Wed, 8/17/11, Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com>
Subject: Reminder or ZIKR is both Qur'an and Hadith. Re: Did a goat eat the Qur'an? Mullah Kaukab Kazzab says, yes.
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 2:24 PM
Mr. Shabbir Why don't you study a little? Goat eating etc doesn't make any difference. Sahaba, r.a., including ahlul bayt, memorized the Qur'an and the Hadith. The hadith are cross referenced by numerous sahaba. The Qur'an was also memorized by several. So the narrative you have provided doesn't prove or disprove anything. The "REMINDER" you have quoted is ZIKR in Arabic and includes hadithe Nabawi, pbuh, not only the Qur'an. Sincerely Kaukab Siddique, PhD Latest book Women in Hadith Narratives ----------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:02 AM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote: Dear Kaukab Kazzab,
Hadith again:
A GOAT EATS THE QUR'AN
The Qur'an says:
15:9 Behold, it is We Ourselves Who have sent down this Reminder, and behold, it is We Who will truly guard it. (6:115).
But numerous Hadiths in six famous Hadiths books make a mockery of 15:9. We cannot reproduce all those Ahadtih here. See a glimpse below.
Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Vol III Chapter 36 (Suckling of a young man) Hadith # 1944: Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said, "The verse concerning stoning the fornicator to death (Rajm) and ten sucklings of a young man had been revealed. Indeed it was recorded on a date leaf lying under my cushion. When Allah's Messenger (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) breathed his last, we were occupied with his death when a domestic goat entered and ate it up."
We do not see any verse in the Qur'an relating to "Rajm" and "ten sucklings". According to Ibn-e-Majah, these verses were revealed and written but a domestic goat ate them up. But Allah is saying "We will truly guard it."
Why did Ibn-e-Majah record this fabricated story in his Sunan? Was he not aware of 15:9? Or was he among those who try to cast doubt on the Qur'an?
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From: Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Did a goat eat the Qur'an? Mullah Kaukab Kazzab says, yes.
To: "Mubashir" <minayet@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 12:47 AM
That is your belief. You are a kafir who does not accept Hadithe Muhammad, pbuh. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Mubashir <minayet@yahoo.com> wrote: Any hadees that goes against the Quran is fabricated including killing of apostates, stoning the adulterers and death for blasphemers!
Sent from my iPhone Hey Mullah K Kazzab,
What is a narrator? What is pbuh?
Thank you fro giving me the opportunity to educate my brothers!
A GOAT EATS THE QUR'AN
The Qur'an says: 15:9 Behold, it is We Ourselves Who have sent down this Reminder, and behold, it is We Who will truly guard it. (6:115).
But numerous Hadiths in six famous Hadiths books make a mockery of 15:9. We cannot reproduce all those Ahadtih here. See a glimpse below.
Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Vol III Chapter 36 (Suckling of a young man) Hadith # 1944: Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said, "The verse concerning stoning the fornicator to death (Rajm) and ten sucklings of a young man had been revealed. Indeed it was recorded on a date leaf lying under my cushion. When Allah's Messenger (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) breathed his last, we were occupied with his death when a domestic goat entered and ate it up."
We do not see any verse in the Qur'an relating to "Rajm" and "ten sucklings". According to Ibn-e-Majah, these verses were revealed and written but a domestic goat ate them up. But Allah is saying "We will truly guard it."
Why did Ibn-e-Majah record this fabricated story in his Sunan? Was he not aware of 15:9? Or was he among those who try to cast doubt on the Qur'an?
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--- On Tue, 8/16/11, Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com>
Subject: No evidence yet from Shabbir. Enemies of Hadith are in bad shape. Re: Kaukab, Maududi worshiper is dead!
To: "SHABBIR AHMED" <drshabbir@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 12:42 AM
Shabbir is going into contortions of abuse not different from those of Aga Khani Zina Khan. Shabbir is a fraud, pure and simple. He does not know that Imam Bukhari is NOT a narrator of Hadith.Even Sunday school children know that Hadith is narrated by Sahaba, r.a. Till now Shabbir has not been about to produce a shred of evidence that any Hadithe Muhammad, pbuh, was fabricated. Quoting Maulana Maudoodi out of context will not help Shabbir. Islam is the only religion which gives rights to captives of war, especially women. Maulana Maudoodi pointed this out and it goes to his credit. By contrast, the Zionist masters of Shabbir and the Pervezis give NO RIGHTS to captive women. Sincerely Kaukab Siddique, PhD ----------------------------------------------
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM, SHABBIR AHMED <drshabbir@bellsouth.net> wrote: Mullah K for Kazzab! What is pbuh?
Hey Mullah! Listen to your god.
THE MULLAH-IN-CHIEF OF THE 20TH CENTURY: MAUDUDI (1903-1979)
We will have to be brief about Maududi since he has written volumes upon volumes of nonsense. But a few glimpses should sufficiently demonstrate how the Mullah is playing god to his fans even after his death. His Name: Before presenting some glimpses of the famous Mullah Maududi's wisdom and knowledge, let us reflect on his full name and title, Maulana Syed Abul A'la Maududi. The name translates as: "Our Master, Owner, the Father of the Most Glorious, Maududi". It is strange that the man claiming to be a great Islamic scholar lived 76 odd years with this name. Does it need much insight to see that the very name is shrieking outright divinity and Shirk? According to the Quran, Maulana (our Master) is none but Allah (9:51). And, obviously, Al-A'la (the Most Glorious) can be none but God. Note: In this chapter, as an example, 1:31 will mean Vol 1 page 31. His Impact: The treacherous, imbecile Maududi, through his long, confused, confusing and inconclusive writings, has frozen the minds of millions of simple Muslims for the last half century making sure that the Ummah remains stuck in the spider-web of the manmade, counterfeit, Hadithi, Number Two Islam (N2I). The forsakers of the Quran got exactly what they deserved. A significant factor behind his popularity has been the generous royal Saudi support as in the case of the Egyptian Mullah-in-Chief, Syed Qutb in the 1950s. Maududi's 'Brilliance': Let us examine some brilliance of Maududi through his famous Six Volume Tafseer, Tafhimul Quran (Urdu), by Idara Tarjumanul Quran, Lahore, November, 1982. We will turn to his other writings from time to time, with due reference given. The Captive Women: 1:340 means Vol 1 Pg 340. The summary and conclusion of his discussion on war captives, Vol 1 Pg 340: Even today, the government must distribute the women war captives among Muslim soldiers and the soldiers should "use" them. This rule will apply to women regardless of whether they belong to the People of the Book, or any other religion. How would the Mullahs feel if Muslims, getting thrashed all around the world today, had their women treated by the 'infidels' in this abominable fashion?
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--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kaukab Siddique <butshikana@gmail.com>
Subject: You misunderstood Maudoodi. He was referring to work done by Hadith scholars themselves. Re: Kaukab id dead! AQEEQAH
To: "Mubashir Inayet" <minayet@yahoo.com>
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Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 7:59 PM
Mubascher pervezi you are an expert in telling lies. You have various quotes in red color. Notice that you have not quoted the hadith which is being discussed. Without context, quotes can be used to prove anything. It only proves that you Mubascher are a liar but a clever one. Scholars of Hadith agree with Maulana Maudoodi that narrations from Muhammad, pbuh, are not perfect like the word of Allah. Allah and Muhammad, pbuh, are not equal. What's the surprise here? Hadith is 99.9 per cent correct. That is higher than any other human narrative. The Qur'an is 100% correct but Allah sent a human being to interpret it. Without Muhammad, pbuh, fools like G.A. Pervez, Shabbir, Mubascher and other scum can twist the meaning of the Qur'an as they wish. Abu Huraira, r.a., made a couple of errors but these were corrected by Ayesha, r.a. Pervezi fitna is not able to harm hadith. The critical studies have already been done. Maulana Maudoodi was referring to work ALREADY DONE, not what he invented. Here is my challenge to ALL PERVEZIS, bring any Hadithe Muhammad, pbuh, and try to prove that it is fabricated. Try it! If you can't bring even ONE, then shut up and go sleep with your master Shaitan. Sincerely Kaukab Siddique, PhD --------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mubashir Inayet <minayet@yahoo.com> wrote: So.........Kaukab says no matter how absurd, against the Qur'an, against science, or portrays the Messenger, his wives and his companions in a bad way) as long as a hadees comes with an unbroken chain of narration it must be accepted. Too bad his peer o murshid Maudoodi would beg to differ:
Maudoodi: It would be worthwhile to mention Maulana Abul A. Maudoodi's criticism here. In order to thoroughly understand the genius of the Messenger, (what to talk about the late comers in Hadith writing) he gives his critique on the pioneer Abu Huraira as follows:
"Apparently, it seems that either Abu HurairaR was unable to comprehend Muhammad's statement or he did not hear him completely...........These kinds of misinterpretations are not uncommon in our Hadith literature, sometimes a saying has been clarified by another saying while there are others that are still more ambiguous." (Quoted from Tasneem, Ahadith number, Oct. 14, 1959) This was his viewpoint on the interpretation of the first compiler on Hadith. As far as transferring these interpretations to others is concerned, the same author narrates in his book (Tafheemaat, volume, 1) as follows: "Let us say for example, I am giving a speech today and many thousands are listening to me. Few hours later, after I have finished my speech (not months or years, but only a few hours later), just ask the people as to what I was saying. It will be observed that all translations will be different from each other. Everyone will emphasize a different portion of the speech. Somebody will take down word for word whereas another will interpret that sentence according to his own understanding. One person will have a better mind and will give the correct meaning of it, whereas another with limited intellectual capacity, may garble the true meanings. One person maybe having a good memory and may give you a word for word translation, whereas another with a weak memory will make mistakes conveying the meaning to others." And: Maulana Abul A. Maudoodi has also something to say on this: "These people (who believe the Hadith to be a part of Deen), crushed the limits of justice. Now we should rank the Hadith according to the degree they have been granted. If for example when we read a stronger version, we must let go of its weaker counterpart. No doubt the material that is provided about the pioneers is of immense value for future narrators of Hadith. The only question is how far are these people completely trustworthy. After all they were all but human and we must not expect them to go beyond the scope of human limits. Nor can we guarantee they can compensate for the human lacuna. How are you to say for sure, that whatever they are relating is fool proof, when the writers themselves are not sure about it?" (Tafheemat, part I, page 318) He further writes: "The respectful Hadith writers have provided gargantuan volumes of worthy treasure, but how can we say that it is absolutely beyond doubt. (page 319) He is not commenting on inadvertent mistakes, when he says: "There is an evil in each one of us, and there lies a strong possibility, when forming an opinion, that it shall interdict." He further argues: "By these examples we are not, by any means, connoting that their research is abracadabra. Our purpose is only to bring to surface the fact that the narrators were but only human. They were not above human imperfections. Is it then mandatory that whosoever they claim to be worthy of respect ought to be taken with respect." (page 321) And: "All the elements of Hadith have been excavated as far as the human factor could take us. But it is not essential that in their researches they have succeeded in reaching the truth. There is every likelihood that the saying they claim to be true, may not in fact exist. This and other similar factors restrain us from drawing conclusions from the art of rational gleaning. Their research provides great material for the Messenger's lifetime and in researching the relics of the Messenger's companions, but they are not fool proof." (page 321-22) That is why Maulana Abul A. Maudoodi felt compelled to write: "It shall not be appropriate to claim, that all the hadiths that are in Bukhari must be accepted as they are, without any critical revision. (Quoted from Tarjuman ul Quran, Oct., Nov. 1952) The late Maulana Abul K. Azad gives us his opinion on Bukhari's Hadith, wherein it is said that 3 times in his lifetime, Messenger Abraham was forced to tell lies: "From the various hadiths that we read, no matter how close it may seem to the truth, the innocence of the hadith cannot go further than the innocence of the mind of
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