Monday 3 October 2011

[PF:166810] Blu-ray Disc (HD Video Disk upto 50GB)

Blu-ray Disc




Blu-ray
(not Blue-ray) also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD), is the name of a new optical disc format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of the world's leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers (including Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson). The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. The format offers more than five times the storage capacity of traditional DVDs and can hold up to 25GB on a single-layer disc and 50GB on a dual-layer disc. This extra capacity combined with the use of advanced video and audio codecs will offer consumers an unprecedented HD experience.

While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM rely on a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible with CDs and DVDs through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup unit. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB. Recent development by Pioneer has pushed the storage capacity to 500GB on a single disc by using 20 layers.

Blu-ray is currently supported by about 200 of the world's leading consumer electronics, personal computer, recording media, video game and music companies. The format also has support from all Hollywood studios and countless smaller studios as a successor to today's DVD format. Many studios have also announced that they will begin releasing new feature films on Blu-ray Disc day-and-date with DVD, as well as a continuous slate of catalog titles every month. For more information about Blu-ray movies, check out our Blu-ray movies and Blu-ray reviews section which offers information about new and upcoming Blu-ray releases, as well as what movies are currently available in the Blu-ray format.


General



1.1
What is Blu-ray?


Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD) is the name of a new optical disc format that is rapidly replacing DVD. The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. The format offers more than five times the storage capacity of traditional DVDs and can hold up to 25GB on a single-layer disc and 50GB on a dual-layer disc. For more general information about Blu-ray, please see our What is Blu-ray? section.


1.2
Why the name Blu-ray?


The name Blu-ray is derived from the underlying technology, which utilizes a blue-violet laser to read and write data. The name is a combination of "Blue" (blue-violet laser) and "Ray" (optical ray). According to the Blu-ray Disc Association the spelling of "Blu-ray" is not a mistake, the character "e" was intentionally left out so the term could be registered as a trademark.

The correct full name is Blu-ray Disc, not Blu-ray Disk (incorrect spelling)
The correct shortened name is Blu-ray, not Blu-Ray (incorrect capitalization) or Blue-ray (incorrect spelling)
The correct abbreviation is BD, not BR or BRD (wrong abbreviation)


1.3
Who developed Blu-ray?


The Blu-ray Disc format was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers, with more than 180 member companies from all over the world. The Board of Directors currently consists of:

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment


1.4
What Blu-ray formats are planned?


As with conventional CDs and DVDs, Blu-ray plans to provide a wide range of formats including ROM/R/RW. The following formats are part of the Blu-ray Disc specification:

BD-ROM - read-only format for distribution of HD movies, games, software, etc.
BD-R - recordable format for HD video recording and PC data storage.
BD-RE - rewritable format for HD video recording and PC data storage.

There's also plans for a BD/DVD hybrid format, which combines Blu-ray and DVD on the same disc so that it can be played in both Blu-ray players and DVD players.


1.5
How much data can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?


A single-layer disc can hold 25GB.
A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB.

To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.


1.6
How much video can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?


Over 9 hours of high-definition (HD) video on a 50GB disc.
About 23 hours of standard-definition (SD) video on a 50GB disc.


1.7
How fast can you read/write data on a Blu-ray disc?


According to the Blu-ray Disc specification, 1x speed is defined as 36Mbps. However, as BD-ROM movies will require a 54Mbps data transfer rate the minimum speed we're expecting to see is 2x (72Mbps). Blu-ray also has the potential for much higher speeds, as a result of the larger numerical aperture (NA) adopted by Blu-ray Disc. The large NA value effectively means that Blu-ray will require less recording power and lower disc rotation speed than DVD and HD-DVD to achieve the same data transfer rate. While the media itself limited the recording speed in the past, the only limiting factor for Blu-ray is the capacity of the hardware. If we assume a maximum disc rotation speed of 10,000 RPM, then 12x at the outer diameter should be possible (about 400Mbps). This is why the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) already has plans to raise the speed to 8x (288Mbps) or more in the future.


1.8
What video codecs will Blu-ray support?


MPEG-2 - enhanced for HD, also used for playback of DVDs and HDTV recordings.
MPEG-4 AVC - part of the MPEG-4 standard also known as H.264 (High Profile and Main Profile).
SMPTE VC-1 - standard based on Microsoft's Windows Media Video (WMV) technology.

Please note that this simply means that all Blu-ray players and recorders will have to support playback of these video codecs, it will still be up to the movie studios to decide which video codec(s) they use for their releases.


1.9
What audio codecs will Blu-ray support?


Linear PCM (LPCM) - up to 8 channels of uncompressed audio. (mandatory)
Dolby Digital (DD) - format used for DVDs, 5.1-channel surround sound. (mandatory)
Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) - extension of Dolby Digital, 7.1-channel surround sound. (optional)
Dolby TrueHD - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio. (optional)
DTS Digital Surround - format used for DVDs, 5.1-channel surround sound. (mandatory)
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio - extension of DTS, 7.1-channel surround sound. (optional)
DTS-HD Master Audio - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio. (optional)

Please note that this simply means that Blu-ray players and recorders will have to support playback of these audio codecs, it will still be up to the movie studios to decide which audio codec(s) they use for their releases.


1.10
Will Blu-ray discs require a cartridge?


No, the development of new low cost hard-coating technologies has made the cartridge obsolete. Blu-ray will instead rely on hard-coating for protection, which when applied will make the discs even more resistant to scratches and fingerprints than today's DVDs, while still preserving the same look and feel. Blu-ray also adopts a new error correction system which is more robust and efficient than the one used for DVDs.


1.11
Will Blu-ray require an Internet connection?


No, you will not need an Internet connection for basic playback of Blu-ray movies. The Internet connection will only be needed for value-added features such as downloading new extras, watching recent movie trailers, web browsing, etc. It will also be required to authorize managed copies of Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network.


1.12
Will Blu-ray down-convert analog outputs?


No, Blu-ray players will not down-convert the analog output signal unless the video contains something called an Image Constraint Token (ICT). This feature is not part of the Blu-ray Disc spec, but of the AACS copy-protection system also adopted by HD-DVD. In the end it will be up to each movie studio to decide if they want to use this "feature" on their releases or not. The good news is that Sony, Disney, Fox, Paramount, MGM and Universal have already stated that they have no intention of using this feature. The other studios, which have yet to announce their plans, will most likely follow suit to avoid getting bad publicity. If any of the studios still decide to use ICT they will have to state this on the cover of their movies, so you should have no problem avoiding these titles.


1.13
Will Blu-ray support mandatory managed copy?


Yes, mandatory managed copy (MMC) will be part of the Blu-ray format. This feature will enable consumers to make legal copies of their Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network. Please note that "mandatory" refers to the movies having to offer this capability, while it will be up to each hardware manufacturer to decide if they want to support this feature.


1.14
When will I be able to buy Blu-ray products?


If you live in the US or Canada you can already find Blu-ray players from Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Philips and Pioneer available in stores, as well as a growing selection of Blu-ray movies. We also expect to see Blu-ray players from LG and Sharp, as well as a second-generation Blu-ray player from Samsung introduced in the near future. The first Blu-ray hardware and software should also be available in many European countries now.


1.15
What will Blu-ray products cost?


As with any new technology the first generation of products will likely be quite expensive due to low production volumes. However, this shouldn't be a problem for long as there is a wide range of Blu-ray related products (players, recorders, drives, writers, media, etc) planned, which should help drive up production volumes and lower overall production costs. Once mass production of components for Blu-ray products begins the prices are expected to fall quickly.

According to the Blu-ray Disc Association, the overall cost of manufacturing Blu-ray Disc media will in the end be no more expensive than producing a DVD. The reduced injection molding costs (one molding machine instead of two, no birefringence problems) offset the additional cost of applying the cover layer and low cost hard-coat, while the techniques used for applying the recording layer remain the same. As production volumes increase the production costs should fall and eventually be comparable to DVDs.




Blu-ray vs DVD



2.1
Will Blu-ray replace DVDs?


Yes, that's the expectation. The Blu-ray format has received broad support from the major movie studios as a successor to today's DVD format. In fact, seven of the eight major movie studios (Disney, Fox, Warner, Paramount, Sony, Lionsgate and MGM) have released titles in the Blu-ray format. Many studios have also announced that they will begin releasing new feature films on Blu-ray Disc day-and-date with DVD, as well as a continuous slate of catalog titles every month. For more information about Blu-ray movies, check out our Blu-ray movies section which offers information about new and upcoming Blu-ray releases, as well as what movies are currently available in the Blu-ray format.

However, the two formats (Blu-ray and DVD) will most likely co-exist for quite some time until HDTVs become more widespread.


2.2
Will Blu-ray be backwards compatible with DVD?


Yes, several leading consumer electronics companies (including Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Sharp and LG) have already demonstrated products that can read/write CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray discs using a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical head, so you don't have to worry about your existing DVD collection becoming obsolete. In fact, most of the Blu-ray players coming out will support upscaling of DVDs to 1080p/1080i, so your existing DVD collection will look even better than before. While it's up to each manufacturer to decide if they want to make their products backwards compatible with DVD, the format is far too popular to not be supported. The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) expects every Blu-ray Disc device to be backward compatible with DVDs.


2.3
Why should I upgrade from DVD to Blu-ray?


The simple answer is HDTV. If you've ever seen high-definition (HD) video on an HDTV, then you know just how incredibly sharp the picture is and how vivid the colors are. In fact, HD offers five times the amount of detail compared to standard-definition (SD). The problem with today's DVDs is that they only support SD and don't have the necessary storage capacity to satisfy the needs of HD. That's where Blu-ray comes in, it offers up to 50GB of storage capacity and enables playback, recording and rewriting of HD in all of the HD resolutions including 1080p. The format also supports high-definition audio formats and lossless audio.

In addition to the greater video and audio quality, the extra storage capacity also means there will be plenty of room for additional content and special features. This combined with the new BD-J interactivity layer adopted by Blu-ray will bring the menus, graphics and special features to a whole new level. For example, you will be able to bring up the menu system as an overlay without stopping the movie, and you could have the director of the movie on the screen explaining the shooting of a scene while the scene is playing in the background. The advanced interactivity combined with the networking features of Blu-ray will also allow content producers to support new innovative features such as downloading extras, updating content via the web, and watching live broadcasts of special events.

Thanks to the greatly enhanced HD video and audio quality as well as the advanced interactivity and networking features, Blu-ray represents a huge leap forward in the DVD viewing experience and will offer consumers an unprecedented HD experience.


2.4
What is the difference between Blu-ray and DVD?


Parameters

Blu-ray
DVD
Storage capacity 25GB (single-layer)
50GB (dual-layer)
4.7GB (single-layer)
8.5GB (dual-layer)
Laser wavelength 405nm (blue laser) 650nm (red laser)
Numerical aperture (NA) 0.85 0.60
Disc diameter
Disc thickness
120mm
1.2mm
120mm
1.2mm
Protection layer
Hard coating
0.1mm
Yes
0.6mm
No
Track pitch
0.32µm
0.74µm
Data transfer rate (data)
Data transfer rate (video/audio)
36.0Mbps (1x)
54.0Mbps (1.5x)
11.08Mbps (1x)
10.08Mbps (<1x)
Video resolution (max)
Video bit rate (max)
1920×1080 (1080p)
40.0Mbps
720×480/720×576 (480i/576i)
9.8Mbps
Video codecs MPEG-2
MPEG-4 AVC
SMPTE VC-1
MPEG-2
-
-
Audio codecs Linear PCM
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby TrueHD
DTS Digital Surround
DTS-HD
Linear PCM
Dolby Digital
DTS Digital Surround
-
-
-
Interactivity
BD-J
DVD-Video


2.5
Will Blu-ray replace VCRs?


Yes, as VCRs don't support recording of HDTV programming consumers will soon need to replace them. Blu-ray recorders combined with hard drives offer a very flexible alternative for those that want to record HDTV. While HD-DVRs already allow consumers to record HDTV, the amount of HDTV programming that can be recorded and archived is limited by the size of the hard drive. Blu-ray recorders will offer a solution to this problem as they allow consumers to record the video to Blu-ray discs and then free up the hard drive. This should make them popular among people that want to archive a lot of their HDTV recordings. The Blu-ray recorders will also offer a lot of compelling new features not possible with a traditional VCR:

  • Random access - instantly jump to any place on the disc
  • Searching - quickly browse and preview recorded programs in real-time
  • Create playlists - change the order of recorded programs and edit recorded video
  • Simultaneous recording and playback of video (enables Time slip/Chasing playback)
  • Automatically find an empty space to avoid recording over programs
  • Improved picture - ability to record high-definition television (HDTV)
  • Improved sound - ability to record surround sound (Dolby Digital, DTS, etc)

  • 2.6
    What about Blu-ray for PCs?


    There are plans for BD-ROM (read-only), BD-R (recordable) and BD-RE (rewritable) drives for PCs, and with the support of the worlds two largest PC manufacturers, HP and Dell, it's very likely that the technology will be adopted as the next-generation optical disc format for PC data storage and replace technologies such as DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM.




    --

    صرف عمل اور ردعمل کا نام زندگی ہے. منطقی جواز تو بعد میں تلاش کیا جاتا ہے
    My Blog

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    [PF:166809] Want to live longer? Have more wives, more children [New Scientist]

    Polygamy is the key to a long life

    17:26 19 August 2008 by Ewen Callaway

    Want to live a little longer? Get a second wife. New research suggests that men from polygamous cultures outlive those from monogamous ones.

    After accounting for socioeconomic differences, men aged over 60 from 140 countries that practice polygamy to varying degrees lived on average 12% longer than men from 49 mostly monogamous nations, says Virpi Lummaa, an ecologist at the University of Sheffield, UK.

    Lummaa presented her findings last week at the International Society for Behavioral Ecology's annual meeting in Ithaca, New York.

    Rather than a call to polygamy, the research might solve a long-standing puzzle in human biology: Why do men live so long?

    This question only makes sense after asking the same for women, who - unlike nearly all other animals - live long past the menopause.

    Enforced monogamy

    One answer seems to be a phenomenon called the grandmother effect. For every 10 years a woman survives past the menopause, she gains two additional grandchildren, Lummaa says. It seems that doting on and spoiling grandchildren aids their survival, as well as furthering some of their grandmother's genes.

    Men, by contrast, can reproduce well into their 60s and even 70s and 80s, and most researchers assumed this explained their longevity. But Lummaa and colleague Andy Russell wondered whether other factors explained the long lifespan of men, such as a grandfather effect.

    To test this possibility, the team analysed church-gathered records for 25,000 Finns from the 18th and 19th centuries. People tended to move little, no one practiced contraception and the Lutheran Church enforced monogamy.

    Only widowed men could remarry, and if they had children with their new wife, they fathered more kids, on average, than men who married once.

    But ultimately remarried men "don't end up with any more grandchildren," Lummaa says. "If anything the presence of a grandfather was associated with decreased survival of grandchildren."

    Perhaps, Lummaa adds, the children of the first mother lose out on food and resources that go to the second mother's kids. "It's kind of the Cinderella effect."

    Even fathers with only one wife provided no benefit to their grandchildren, a finding supported by previous research.

    Biological selection

    With the grandfather effect ruled out, Lummaa and Russell next wondered whether the constraints of human physiology explain male longevity. In the same way that men have nipples that evolved for women to nourish their young, male longevity might be a consequence of biological selection for long-lived women.

    To answer this question, the researchers compared the lifespan of men from polygamous countries with those from monogamous nations.

    Using data from the World Health Organization, Lummaa and Russell scored 189 countries on a monogamy scale of one to four - totally monogamous to mostly polygamous. They also took into account a country's gross domestic product and average income to minimise the effect of better nutrition and healthcare in monogamous Western nations.

    Lummaa stressed that their monogamy score is a crude first stab, and they are working to find multiple ways to assess marriage patterns. The conclusions could evaporate under further analysis, she adds.

    If female survival is the main explanation for male longevity, then monogamous and polygamous men would live for about the same length of time. Instead, it seems that fathering more kids with more wives leads to increased male longevity. Men, then, live long because they're fertile well into their grey years.

    The explanation could be both social and genetic. Men who continue fathering kids into their 60s and 70s could take better care for their bodies because they have mouths to feed. But evolutionary forces acting over thousands of years could also select for longer-lived men in polygamous cultures.

    "It's a valid hypothesis and good prediction," says Chris Wilson, an evolutionary anthropologist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, who attended the talk. But the care and attention of several wives who depend on the social status of their ageing husband could explain everything. "It doesn't surprise me that men in those societies live longer than men in monogamous societies, where they become widowed and have nobody to care for them."


    ----
    PS: Actions may not always bring happiness; but there is no happiness without action, so act we MUST.
    ---------
    Wishing you and all your loved ones greatest of times ahead!
    Aspiring 2 c u happy!

    Shakeel Ahmad
    B.Tech (IT-BHU), MBA (XLRI), PMP
    Dubai, United Arab Emirates

    Recommended website for PMP exam preparation: http://www.passPM.com/

    Remember, growing older is mandatory. Growing up is optional.
     
    We make a Living by what we get, we make a Life by what we give.

    If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow,
    you have no today to be thankful for.

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    [PF:166808] Daingy Virus

    As received

     

    RE: [PF:166806] Asking for Help except Allah? غیر اللہ سے مدد


     


    From: karachi-786@googlegroups.com [mailto:karachi-786@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shabbir Hussain
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:35 PM
    To: karachi-786@googlegroups.com
    Cc: eagles-pk@googlegroups.com; faizan-e-mustafa@googlegroups.com; islamandchristianity@googlegroups.com; islamandme@googlegroups.com; islamicteachings@googlegroups.com; karachians-owner@yahoogroups.com; kasur66@yahoo.com; lovely-sweet-group@googlegroups.com; misfpakistan@googlegroups.com; pakistan_lovers@googlegroups.com; sheraneislam@googlegroups.com; star-friends-group@googlegroups.com; sweet_islam@googlegroups.com; the-voice-of-islamabad@googlegroups.com; yoursks@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PF:166804] Asking for Help except Allah? غیر اللہ سے مدد

     

    'If there was no Ali, Umar would have perished!'
    References: Fadha'il al-Sahaba by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p647, Hadith 1100. Al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr al qurtubi, v3, p39; Manaqib, by al-Khawarizmi, p48.Al-Riyadh al Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v2, p194;.Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p171


    YA ALI(a.s) MADAD

    On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Mohammed Ishaq <kasur66@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------

     

     

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

     

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    Re: [PF:166806] Asking for Help except Allah? غیر اللہ سے مدد

    YA ALI(a.s) AL-MADAD

    On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Shabbir Hussain <info.shabbir@gmail.com> wrote:
    'If there was no Ali, Umar would have perished!'
    References: Fadha'il al-Sahaba by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p647, Hadith 1100. Al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr al qurtubi, v3, p39; Manaqib, by al-Khawarizmi, p48.Al-Riyadh al Nadhirah, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, v2, p194;.Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p171


    YA ALI(a.s) MADAD



    On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Mohammed Ishaq <kasur66@gmail.com> wrote:
    ---------- Forwarded message ----------





    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    --
    From:
    [Pak-Friends] Group Member
    Visit Group: http://groups.google.com/group/Karachi-786
    Subscription: http://groups.google.com/group/karachi-786/subscribe
    Blog: http://rehansheik.blogspot.com
    ===========================================================
    ¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'[PäK¤.¸.¤F®ï£ñD§]'*·~-.¸¸,.-~*'¨¯¨'*·~-.¸
    ===========================================================
    All members are expected to follow these Simple Rules:
    -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members is unethical act.
    Please avoid any post linked to facebook.
    Thanks

    [karachi-Friends] soch k jiein

    --
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members will be an illegal act.
     
     
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
    Groups "Karachi-Friends" group.
    To post to this group, send email to karachi-Friends@googlegroups.com
    To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
    karachi-Friends+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

    [karachi-Friends] WHO BLINKED?

    Rob Crilly reporting in the Telegraph suggested that US has been
    steadily walking away from Admiral Mullen's wild and crazy accusations
    on the eve of his retirement. In fact, one day later he himself toned
    down his rhetoric and said Pakistan was essential for peace in
    Afghanistan. Mr. Karzai stung by the assassination of Mr. Rabbani also
    said the same.


    In a surprising turn of events–a BBC report
    (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15143513) quoted Afghan
    insurgent leader Siraj Haqqani as saying he's been approached by the
    US to join the Afghan government and he denied that his militant group
    was behind the killing of the top Afghan peace envoy.

    "Right from the first day of American arrival till this day not only
    Pakistani but other Islamic and other non-Islamic countries including
    America, contacted us and they (are) still doing so. They are asking
    us to leave the ranks of Islamic Emirates," Sirajudding Haqqani
    He said that they promised him an "important role in the government of
    Afghanistan."
    Mr Haqqani said the "Islamic Emirate" was behind "the attack on the US
    embassy, Nato headquarters and other attacks" in Kabul, which he said
    were ordered by a "military council" and were not the work of
    individuals.
    "The [US] mood has changed against the Haqqanis… It is not that the
    talks with the Haqqanis are like the talks with the mainstream
    Taliban, which I think are genuine and more constructive talks, "
    Ahmed Rashid tells the BBC.
    "In every operation we get the order, planning and financial resources
    from the Emirate's leadership and we act accordingly." Mr Haqqani
    Crilly mimics what most other independent analysts have been saying
    for the past few weeks–"However, with relations between the two
    countries close to breaking point, the US appeared to row back with a
    series of statements emphasising the importance of the alliance. On
    Friday, President Barack Obama made a point of not endorsing Adml
    Mullen's accusations. He admitted that the intelligence was not clear
    on the exact nature of the relationship between the ISI and the
    Haqqanis.The reversal has been greeted with glee in Islamabad…The
    climb-down also suggests the US knew it had few options to increase
    pressure, without risking a total breakdown in relations and the
    deployment of American forces to Pakistan".

    PM Yousuf Raza Gilani said Pakistan's political parties had united to
    face down the US."It is the victory of Pakistani nation, political
    parties as well as the government's policy of reconciliation."

    "It is due to APC as well as the unity of Pakistan's political leaders
    that the US has a sent a message that they need Pakistan and that they
    cannot win the war without Pakistan," he said. "They have also
    distanced themselves from the statement of Mullen."

    Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and a fellow at the Brookings
    Institution think tank realizes that the Mullen bluster could not be
    backup up with actionable items against a Nuclear powered Paksitan."US
    options are limited as we don't want a larger war in south Asia."

    Afghan President Karzai is again headed to Delhi to try out his luck
    there. Some joke that he is on a house hunting trip. It is an exercise
    in futility, but Mr. Karzai has few options left, and he will need to
    find a place to live after his term as "Mayor of Kabul" end. The
    Boston Globe reports that "Afghanistan's president says Pakistan has
    not lived up to its promises to help end the Taliban-led insurgency,
    but that he hopes the two countries can work together like brothers".


    --
    *Shahzad Shameem*

    --
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members will be an illegal act.


    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
    Groups "Karachi-Friends" group.
    To post to this group, send email to karachi-Friends@googlegroups.com
    To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
    karachi-Friends+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

    [karachi-Friends] RABBANI’S MURDER AND ITS IMPACT

    By Dr. Raja Muhammad Khan

    Hardly, Pakistan was refuting the allegations levelled by outgoing
    American military head Admiral Mike Mullen, once it was hit by another
    accusation of involvement in the killing of former Afghan President
    Professor Burhanuddin Rabbani. According to Lutifullah Mashal, a
    representative of the Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security
    (NDS), that Pakistani intelligence agency ISI was behind the
    assassination of former Afghan President Prof Burhanuddin Rabbani and
    that Quetta Shura made the plan for this killing in Quetta, Pakistan.
    While acting in haste, President Karazai, seconded these allegations
    of its intelligence agency and repeated the charges.


    The new episode surfaced after Pentagon andUS State Department could
    not put Pakistan on defensive, after Mullen accused the Pakistan for
    its alleged relationship with Haqqanis. This time Pakistani nation
    rebuffed the US allegations and strategy of degrading Pakistan through
    a collective voice from all spheres; political parties, people and its
    armed forces. So much so later State Department has to disown the
    Mullen's remarks and even President Obama has said that, he is not
    sure of the linkages between ISI and Haqqanis. Mullen himself changed
    his statement during the farewell ceremony in Virginia and advised his
    successor to remain engage with Pakistan, owing to its significance.

    Late Prof Rabbani was the head of the Afghan peace council,
    established by President Karazai. Primarily the peace council was to
    negotiate with Taliban, convince them to renounce the insurgent
    activities, and join the Afghan Government for a stable, peaceful and
    prosper Afghanistan. Afghan Government and Prof Rabbani had full
    backing of Pakistan in this regard. Indeed Pakistan is a worst
    sufferer of Afghan instability and wants peace there. Pakistan is a
    strong advocate of the fact that, peace in Afghanistan will bring
    peace and stability in Pakistan. Indeed, these two nations cannot be
    dealt separately in term of stability or otherwise in the region.
    Since any setback to peace in Afghanistan will equally affect
    Pakistan, therefore, Pakistan cannot wish for Afghanistan anything
    that it does not wish for itself. Prof Rabbani was very close and
    friendly to Pakistan. He played a significant role during Afghan war
    against former Soviet Union and Pakistani Government played a role in
    making him as an interim President of Afghanistan. How could Pakistan
    be behind such a heinous crime of killing its own friend?

    President Karazai should have envisioned the scenario under which
    these accusations are being framed against Pakistan and its
    intelligence agency, before passing a verdict about this whole
    incident. President Karazai too had a backing of Pakistan in winning
    the Presidential election at a time once Obama Administration and CIA
    declared him and his family as the corrupt most. It was Pakistan then,
    which supported him throughout and now on the instigation of CIA and
    US Administration, he too is accusing Pakistan. This indeed is the
    height of being ungrateful.

    Under the prevailing circumstances, all out efforts are being made to
    penalize Pakistan for various activities in the region, which it has
    never thought of undertaking. Even a layman can visualize, the motive
    behind these allegations, after all why President Karazai should fell
    short of such an assessment or else he is acting as a tool in the
    hands of the occupiers. Why can the Afghan acumen visualize that, who
    is the real beneficiary of the Afghanistan remaining an unstable
    state? What goods an instable Afghanistan could accrue for Pakistan?
    At best, the worst instability, drug and weapons culture, ethnic and
    sectarian conflicts or the extra burden of over 5 million Afghan
    refugees, now reduced to 2.5 million, who are parasite on our economy.
    More than that, the instable Afghanistan has enabled involvement of
    dozen of international spyingnetwork inside Pakistan with the intent
    to destabilize it, on the pretext of sub-nationalism, sectarianism and
    ethnic issues.

    Late Prof Rabbani was a peace promoter in Afghanistan, whose indirect
    beneficiary was Pakistan, a real sufferer beside Afghanistan itself.
    How could Pakistan or its intelligence agency be behind the murder of
    such a peace lover? Why can the accusers understand that ISI is
    acting as the eyes and ears of Pakistan, promote, and look after its
    interests? What interests ISI could have served by killing a Pakistani
    friend and messenger of peace. Similarly, this organization cannot
    provide, safe havens, harbour and abet the terrorists groups who could
    be; Taliban, Haqqanis or other militants, who are killing the innocent
    Pakistanis since last one decade. Why cannot the sense prevail among
    the Afghan rulers its acumen and their instigators? For how long
    should they continue cheating their own people on behest of their
    foreign lords? Afghan officials and rulers should be loyal to their
    soil and people at least, if not with their well-wisher, Pakistan?

    Since Pakistan would be a real recipient of a stable and peaceful
    Afghanistan, besides Afghanistan itself, therefore, it is not desired
    by many extra-regional powers, who indeed have different agendas. Then
    who will be the real beneficiary of Afghanistan, remaining instable?
    For understanding such a scenario, there is need to analyse that,
    would there be need of foreign forces and foreign spying networks in a
    stable and peaceful Afghanistan. A stable Afghanistan would ask all
    such foreigners to leave its geographical frontiers, for the sake of
    maintaining country's sovereignty, which is highly compromised
    currently. In such a scenario, those who have spent trillion of
    dollars would have to pack up for their homelands. Had they spent
    these heavy amounts for the benefits of Afghan people? No, not at all,
    Europeans and US have spent these dollars and even got their soldiers
    killed for objective not to the imagination of many analysts even.
    They want a permanent say in the region and that is only possible once
    there is an uncertainty and instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    The instability in Afghanistan can be prolonged and maintained only if
    peace efforts are repeatedly sabotaged and so-called rulers at Kabul
    are kept at defensive, needing the foreign crutches for their survival
    all the time. This is indeed the real situation; where NATO and U.S
    are the real beneficiary of this entire scenario, hence intend
    continuing with the status quo.

    Pakistani intelligence agency and armed forces understand this
    tactics, after prolong workingwith CIA, NATO and US for so many years.
    Pakistan desires that, U.S and foreign elements should let Afghan
    people to decide their future themselves. That is why; Pakistan and
    ISI is accused and pursued to give this realistic approach of bringing
    a peace in Afghanistan, which is equally essential for Pakistan.
    Afghan President and people should understand the real motives and
    stop playing at the hands of CIA and others who wants to exploit the
    situation for their own benefit, rather contributing towards Afghan
    peace. Rather accusing Pakistan and threatening it with the UN
    resolutions, President Karazai should sit with his Pakistani
    counterpart and Afghan NDS chief should meet ISI chief to assess the
    real aims and objectives behind this assassination of Prof Rabbani.

    Indeed, time has arrived where leaders and those who matters, from
    both countries should sit together understand each other's viewpoint,
    bridge the trust deficit among them, stop playing in the hands of
    global powers and understand the global conspiracies, being hatched
    against their motherlands. Hamid Karazai should negotiate with
    Pakistan, considering it as the well-wisher and sympathizer of all
    Afghan people, rather the supporter of Taliban or Haqqanis only.
    Pakistan should talk with Karazai, considering him as the
    representative of all Afghan people, rather a representative of a
    particular faction, or a CIA tool.

    Both sides, however, should put an end to the blame game and work for
    the stability and peace in Afghanistan and Pakistan through an
    indigenous solution, rather accommodating US and Indian aims. Let us
    leave no room for CIA and State Department to either scold Pakistan or
    use Afghan soil and its leadership for the fulfilment of its long-term
    agenda in the region.


    http://khudi.pk/2011/10/04/rabbanis-murder-and-its-impact/
    RABBANI'S MURDER AND ITS IMPACT
    By Dr. Raja Muhammad Khan

    --
    *Shahzad Shameem*

    --
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members will be an illegal act.


    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
    Groups "Karachi-Friends" group.
    To post to this group, send email to karachi-Friends@googlegroups.com
    To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
    karachi-Friends+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

    [karachi-Friends] Legendary Jagjit Singh passed away


    SENT AS RECEIVED
    Very Sad news - Jagjit Singh Sahab passed away earleir today in Mumbai.(He had undergone two major surgeries at Lilavati, Bandra, one of India'stop hospitals - due to stroke/brain haemrrohaging, last Friday)

    This is a great loss and a blow for all who enjoyed his music as well as those who have appreciation for the literary side of the Urdu language. He was the last great proponent of the Urdu language itself and shaeri in India

    He did his best to promote Urdu, even by spending his own money.The Indian polity does not seem to have much room for Urdu and it seems tobe on the decline in India

    We have all heard these stories over the year sbut I experienced it first hand myself, on my trip to India overDecember/January 2011. Perhaps, the only exception is Hyderabad where they have their own brand of Urdu (unlike the generally accepted idea of the purest form being that of Lucknaw and some parts of UP). 

    With the exception of its presence in the cultured homes and families of UP and elsewhere (Hindustani/Urdu among both Hindu and Muslim families), it is not apparent any more among the general public in the former Urdu-speaking areas.

     Jagjit sahab's passing is therefore an added loss indeed, for all who value the richness and cultural heritage of this great language, evenfor one like myself, whose primary languages are English and Gujarati.

    --
    Be Carefull in Islamic Discussions;
    Disrespect (of Ambiyaa, Sahabaa, Oliyaa, and Ulamaa) is an INSTANT BAN
    Abuse of any kind (to the Group, or it's Members) shall not be tolerated
    SPAM, Advertisement, and Adult messages are NOT allowed
    This is not Dating / Love Group, Sending PM's to members will be an illegal act.
     
     
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
    Groups "Karachi-Friends" group.
    To post to this group, send email to karachi-Friends@googlegroups.com
    To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
    karachi-Friends+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

    swnet.politik – 26 nya meddelanden i 16 ämnen – sammandrag

    swnet.politik
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik?hl=sv

    swnet.politik@googlegroups.com

    Dagens ämnen:

    * Lite bilder från 'Ockupera Wal lStreet' - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/338a00aa7de8835f?hl=sv
    * Libertarianer drar igång 'Ockupera Federal Reserve' - 4 meddelanden, 3
    författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/122fabc28dcb94d5?hl=sv
    * GLONASS är nu i funktion över hela världen - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/f96637656e631ea2?hl=sv
    * Oro i KD - 3 meddelanden, 2 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/826320fb2c5579f1?hl=sv
    * Vores kriminelt gruppesindssyge 'elite' er nu beskæftiget med deres
    heksejagt på åbne Breivik-tilhængere - hvad håber den at opnå met dette? - 1
    meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/2b170a45c364b714?hl=sv
    * Konservatismen (var: Farväl Per Unckel) - 2 meddelanden, 2 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/cea6e7aae9db2c79?hl=sv
    * Vårdcentraler ges bort gratis - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/c97e78e3b29eed99?hl=sv
    * Delstaten Utah (USA) inför Guld och Silvermynt - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/8164c099af766d5b?hl=sv
    * Svenske monarker gør sig til idioter i Saudiarabien - 1 meddelanden, 1
    författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/b961f305264955b5?hl=sv
    * Demonstrationer och gripanden vid Bank of America i Boston (MA) - 1
    meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/02306ed37cf5c8c0?hl=sv
    * Nya appmomsen 1/10-2011 - 2 meddelanden, 2 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/f79254d7ecae3e4a?hl=sv
    * Skuggregeringskri(s) - 2 meddelanden, 2 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9f37ceb2bd5004dc?hl=sv
    * Ockupera Los Angeles ökar i antal - 3 meddelanden, 2 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/3844cdd2fb3963c7?hl=sv
    * Portugiser-fusker António Guterres: 'Multikulturalismus nicht nur gute Sache,
    sondern unvermeidbar' - specielt i hans strandvilla... - 1 meddelanden, 1
    författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9a12f06fb99788fe?hl=sv
    * Ockupera 'Allting' - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9d3a6c9d0ade6651?hl=sv
    * I Europa må muhammedanere, der ikke står op i domstolen, gerne lave hvad dem
    behager - i USA bliver de anholdt - 1 meddelanden, 1 författare
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/fc4f6272bddb9499?hl=sv

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Lite bilder från 'Ockupera Wal lStreet'
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/338a00aa7de8835f?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Sön 2 Okt 2011 22:40
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    Ockupera Wall Street fortsätter med demonstrationer och många har bott
    där ett par veckor nu. Trots aggressioner från Obamas styrkor så tänker
    folket inte ge upp kampen mot banksters som tagit över landet och
    krossat republiken som numera saknar demokrati när bara 1% av
    befolkningen har något att säga till om.

    Bilder från helgen bland demonstranterna.

    http://www.china.org.cn/world/2011-10/03/content_23542904.htm

    Några tidigare bilder.

    http://www.china.org.cn/photos/2011-10/01/content_23536966.htm

    Det kan vara intressant att se skillnaden på hur Kina (bilderna ovan)
    redovisar situationen och hur sedan Rothschilds AP (Associated Press)
    redovisar ur bankernas perspektiv.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LngwTp2xvgY

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Libertarianer drar igång 'Ockupera Federal Reserve'
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/122fabc28dcb94d5?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 4 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 01:14
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    Nu drar Alex Jones igång 'Ockupera The Federal Reserve' i Texas och de
    kommer att demonstrera och sända direkt fån sammankomsterna. Det ser ju
    riktigt bra ut, för de och 'Ockupera Wall Street' ger varandra draghjälp
    mot banksters. Dessutom verkar ju Alex Jones triggad ordentligt, så det
    ser intressant ut.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Tn61Y0Cfw

    Men nog finns det motsättningar, för det är långt ifrån någon homogen
    grupp någondera av dem. Men det är ju bra om folk vaknar upp och börjar
    sätta sig in i saker och ting istället för att bara söva sig med dåliga
    TV-såpor.

    http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-a-globalist-op-designed-to-destroy-efforts-to-end-the-fed/

    Får väl bara hoppas på att de klarar att balansera den inre konflikten
    så de inte river allt på internt tjafs.

    Alla tycks vara emot NWO (New World Order) så det i kombination med att
    de är de 99 procenten är nog vad de skall satsa på med Federal Reserve
    och de andra superbankerna som gemensam motståndare.


    == 2 av 4 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 03:14
    Från: "Avos"

    Mikael Forsberg<mikaelforsberg@ymail.com> wrote:
    > Nu drar Alex Jones igång 'Ockupera The Federal Reserve' i Texas och de
    > kommer att demonstrera och sända direkt fån sammankomsterna. Det ser ju
    > riktigt bra ut, för de och 'Ockupera Wall Street' ger varandra draghjälp
    > mot banksters. Dessutom verkar ju Alex Jones triggad ordentligt, så det
    > ser intressant ut.
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Tn61Y0Cfw
    > Men nog finns det motsättningar, för det är långt ifrån någon homogen
    > grupp någondera av dem. Men det är ju bra om folk vaknar upp och börjar
    > sätta sig in i saker och ting istället för att bara söva sig med dåliga
    > TV-såpor.
    > http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-a-globalist-op-designed-to-destroy-efforts-to-end-the-fed/
    > Får väl bara hoppas på att de klarar att balansera den inre konflikten
    > så de inte river allt på internt tjafs.
    > Alla tycks vara emot NWO (New World Order) så det i kombination med att
    > de är de 99 procenten är nog vad de skall satsa på med Federal Reserve
    > och de andra superbankerna som gemensam motståndare.

    Jag hoppas verkligen fondmäklarna ansluter sig till detta. De är ju alltid sugna på mer pengar.
    --
    Android Usenet Reader
    http://android.newsgroupstats.hk


    == 3 av 4 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 10:13
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    On 2011-10-03 12:14, Avos wrote:
    > Mikael Forsberg<mikaelforsberg@ymail.com> wrote:
    >> Nu drar Alex Jones igång 'Ockupera The Federal Reserve' i Texas och de
    >> kommer att demonstrera och sända direkt fån sammankomsterna. Det ser
    >> ju riktigt bra ut, för de och 'Ockupera Wall Street' ger varandra
    >> draghjälp mot banksters. Dessutom verkar ju Alex Jones triggad
    >> ordentligt, så det ser intressant ut.
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Tn61Y0Cfw
    >> Men nog finns det motsättningar, för det är långt ifrån någon homogen
    >> grupp någondera av dem. Men det är ju bra om folk vaknar upp och
    >> börjar sätta sig in i saker och ting istället för att bara söva sig
    >> med dåliga TV-såpor.
    >> http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-a-globalist-op-designed-to-destroy-efforts-to-end-the-fed/
    >>
    >> Får väl bara hoppas på att de klarar att balansera den inre konflikten
    >> så de inte river allt på internt tjafs.
    >> Alla tycks vara emot NWO (New World Order) så det i kombination med
    >> att de är de 99 procenten är nog vad de skall satsa på med Federal
    >> Reserve och de andra superbankerna som gemensam motståndare.
    >
    > Jag hoppas verkligen fondmäklarna ansluter sig till detta. De är ju
    > alltid sugna på mer pengar.

    Mäklarna drömmer ju om att det skall bli recession för det kan de
    verkligen tjäna pengar på.

    Jag tycker den här är så rolig att jag lyssnat på den flera gånger nu,
    så länken får väl gå med en gång till. ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsvsAjKV130

    På sätt och vis får ju banken reklam och blir världskänd även för
    allmänheten, men samtidigt ökar ju risken för att någon blir mer än
    allmänt uppretad.

    == 4 av 4 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:57
    Från: kaj.stenberg@helsinki.fi.invalid

    Mikael Forsberg <mikaelforsberg@ymail.com> wrote:

    > M�klarna dr�mmer ju om att det skall bli recession f�r det kan de
    > verkligen tj�na pengar p�.

    Alldeles vanliga knegare kan nog ocks� tj�na pengar p� recession, eller
    tom. p� bara allm�n volatilitet. Naturligtvis f�ruts�tter detta att man
    inte blir arbetsl�s. Och har n�got att investera.
    Men har inte (i Sverige) varje l�ntagare i varje fall n�gon grad
    av valfrihet g�llande val av pensionsfond? (I Finland har vi det inte).
    Att apor visat sig vinna endel fondf�rvaltare �r sedanen komik i
    sig sj�lv.

    > Jag tycker den h�r �r s� rolig att jag lyssnat p� den flera g�nger nu,
    > s� l�nken f�r v�l g� med en g�ng till. ;)
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsvsAjKV130

    Jaa, vore jag (mycket) yngre kunde musiken vara bra p� dansgolvet. Orden
    �r urtrista efter 2/50 upprepningar. L�pande texten under �r ett r�tt
    bra exempel p� "quote-mining". N�, l�ngd 2:29, s� 2:10 av mitt liv
    �terigen bortsl�sat p� upprepad meningsl�shet. Kanske inte iofs hela
    v�rlden.
    I varje fall var den (tack vare musiksp�ret) klart b�ttre �n den
    eevighetsl�nga videon du postade n�gong�n (g�llande varf�r USA inte
    "skulle ha egen valuta") som ju startade fr�n barnslighet, och gick via
    trams till ren paranoia. S� tack, n�sta g�ng jag �r 20 och vill ha en
    evighetsl�ng discol�t kan youtuben anv�ndas!

    Det bleve antagligen roligare ifall du skrev lite om vad _du_
    tycker att videon p�visar om v�rldsekonomin...
    Det bleve emellertid s�kert _informativare_ om du -ens n�gon g�ng-
    l�nkade till annat �n:
    a) n�gon redan tidigare uttryckte den �sikt som du h�vdar
    b) en i ditt tycke lustig youtube-video.

    Jag vet att m�nga (framf�rallt yngre, men nog ocks� endel av oss mognare)
    vill ha ett informationspaket i form av animation el.dyl., i musiktakt. Men
    t.ex. jag �r ingalunda ensam om att ha som favorit inl�rningss�ttet "l�sa
    i egen takt", med m�jlighet att kontemplera i fred, komplettere med annan
    information, relatera till tidigare information.
    Att sedan en vetenskapli facktext oftast har en _verklig_
    informationst�thet som vida �verstiger standardvideon �r kanske en annan sak.
    Endel bara �lskar att titta p� teve.

    --
    Kaj

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: GLONASS är nu i funktion över hela världen
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/f96637656e631ea2?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 01:40
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    GLONASS som �r det v�rldst�ckande ryska navigeringssystemet �r nu efter
    den senaste uppskjutningen i drift med 24 satelliter som t�cker
    planeten. Det skall upp 4 satelliter till senare i �r som komplement.

    Den har 1 meter b�ttre precision �n GPS och det borde v�l g� att ha b�da
    systemen i apparater av alla de slag, s� b�r det g� att f� �nnu b�ttre
    precision i kombination med b�da systemen. F�rmodligen kommer
    elektronikindustrin att ta fram s�dana modeller, som ju skulle s�kra
    tillg�ngligheten �n mer dessutom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQgy91qUMaw


    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Oro i KD
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/826320fb2c5579f1?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 01:59
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    Det har varit en hel del oro i KD-leden ett tag nu.
    Göran Hägglund ifrågasätts, enstaka distrikt har
    krävt att han ställer sin plats till förfogande, och
    debattartiklar har skrivits. Oron verkar grundas på
    att opinionsmätningarna nu i många fall placerar
    KD under 4%.
    Kritiken verkar, i alla för en outsider som jag,
    spreta åt lite olika håll. Dels har vi kärnan
    av pingstkyrkliga och livetsordare som verkar
    vilja att KD ska vässa sin kristliga profil (tillbvaka
    till rötterna, skulle man kanske kunna säga), dels
    finns andra som vill påskynda moderniseringen och
    mittfåreanpassningen av partiet. För egen del tror
    jag att det första *definitivt* skulle placera KD
    utanför riksdagen, och det andra skulle ytterligare
    öka trängseln i området där *alla andra* verkar
    vilja befinna sig.

    Nåja, till slut verkar man ha fått upp Mats Odell
    på banan, och han säger sig nu kandidera om
    partiledarposten.
    Som jag ser det, kan Odell knappast vara ett
    förstahandsalternativ för vare sig den frikyrkliga
    kärnan eller för förnyarna. Jag har inget emot Odell,
    han gjorde i huvudsak ett bra jobb i den första
    alliansregeringen, men han framstår varken som
    den stora banerföraren för ett nykristet parti, *eller*
    som en stark förnyande kraft. Det var nog inte så få
    väljare som trodde att Odell var en moderat representant
    i den förra regeringen. Och vi utanförstående har inte
    heller uppfattat något som ser ut som starka
    förnyelseinitiativ från Odell. Är det så att kritikerna
    främst vill få igång en process som leder till att
    Hägglund kan avsättas, för att sedan ha andra
    kandidater i rockärmen? Odell blir då bara ett
    verktyg, en katalysator, för att avsätta Hägglund.

    En annan sak som de interna kritikerna inte verkar
    ha uppfattat är att Göran Hägglund är betydligt mer
    populär bland väljarna än vad hans parti är.

    /Ulf Sundin


    == 2 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 04:29
    Från: Charlie R

    Mon, 3 Oct 2011 01:59:41 -0700 (PDT), Ulf Sundin ba:

    > Det har varit en hel del oro i KD-leden ett tag nu.
    > Göran Hägglund ifrågasätts, enstaka distrikt har
    > krävt att han ställer sin plats till förfogande, och
    > debattartiklar har skrivits. Oron verkar grundas på
    > att opinionsmätningarna nu i många fall placerar
    > KD under 4%.

    <...>

    > Nåja, till slut verkar man ha fått upp Mats Odell
    > på banan, och han säger sig nu kandidera om
    > partiledarposten.
    > Som jag ser det, kan Odell knappast vara ett
    > förstahandsalternativ för vare sig den frikyrkliga
    > kärnan eller för förnyarna.

    <...>

    > En annan sak som de interna kritikerna inte verkar
    > ha uppfattat är att Göran Hägglund är betydligt mer
    > populär bland väljarna än vad hans parti är.


    Grundproblemet är förstås att varje parti som har en väljarbas
    men inte kan enas om en entydig politisk inriktning är hart när
    ohjälpligt illa ute och knappast kan räddas av vare sig Johultarn,
    Annie Lööf, Dinamarca/Sjöstedt eller självaste Mats Odell.

    Därför lever vi i en spännande tid.


    Charlie.


    == 3 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 07:00
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    On 3 Okt, 13:29, Charlie R <spam_spam_s...@chroot.yi.org> wrote:

    > Grundproblemet är förstås att varje parti som har en väljarbas
    > men inte kan enas om en entydig politisk inriktning är hart när
    > ohjälpligt illa ute och knappast kan räddas av vare sig Johultarn,
    > Annie Lööf, Dinamarca/Sjöstedt eller självaste Mats Odell.  

    Och är den där väljarbasen är så liten som för C/KD/V så är
    problemen akuta, medan S kan fortsätta att strida och vela
    ett bra tag och ändå hålla sig vid liv.

    /Ulf Sundin

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Vores kriminelt gruppesindssyge 'elite' er nu beskæftiget med deres
    heksejagt på åbne Breivik-tilhængere - hvad håber den at opnå met dette?
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/2b170a45c364b714?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 02:42
    Från: "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"


    *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
    constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
    judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
    conditions permit.*

    Disse vil ikke ændre deres mening om tredejverdens-invasion,
    tvangsmuhammedanisering og den herfor ansvarlige 'elite' ved repression -
    tværtimod. Og hvad er med dem, der sympatiserer, men ikke udtaler det
    offentligt?

    'Eliten' har fortsat ikke begrebet: Dens procedere er kureren på symptomer.
    Hvis den virkelig vil helbrede, så bør den begynde ved årsagerne. Årsagen er
    den ved folket hverken ønskede eller godkendte tredejverdens-invasion og
    tvangsmuhammedanisering, der ødelægger vores lande og folke, og som vil
    producere yderligere Breiviks - til trods for al repression.

    Justitsvæsenet må beskæftige sig med muhammedanismen ('islam'), så vil den
    genkende: Den er ikke en religion, men en politisk doktrin camoufleret som
    religion, der ikke lader sig bringe i overenstemmelse med demokrati og
    retsstat. Så burde det vide, hvordan det skal optræde imod det.

    Hvordan kan justitsvæsenet beskæftige sig med muhammedanismen ('islam')? Der
    er mange muligheder. En af dem ville være at studere siden

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html .

    Jihadwatch underholdes ved orientalist Robert Spencer, se

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer_%28author%29


    --
    Unter blinden ist der ein ugige k nig. >.)

    Jews have paralysed our societies through the enforcement of PC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j6vr94 ) and MC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/46j2gzn ). Chieftain Netanyahu: Break the spell
    by publicly admitting your tribe's responsibility! And dump your mad dog
    Martin van Creveld ( http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vutnfl ).

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Konservatismen (var: Farväl Per Unckel)
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/cea6e7aae9db2c79?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 03:14
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    On 1 Okt, 13:59, M Winther <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
    > On Sep 26, 11:15 am, Ulf Sundin <sundin...@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Du vet inte vad konservatismens ideer innebär.

    Jag skulle nog påstå att jag åtminstone begripit
    en del av konservatismens ideer.
    Det är bl a därför jag är skeptisk till din tanke om
    "kultur- och värdekonservativ". Det är väl de termer
    som vänstern (och kulturradikaler i allmänhet) brukar
    använda när de vill fula ut någon?

    > Sannolikt har du inte studerat  konservatismens företrädare,
    > såsom Folke Leander, och min favorit, Vitalis Norström.

    Dem har jag förvisso inte läst, men jag känner åtminstone
    till Norström. Anar jag här att Norströms tankar om
    (mass)kulturen är vad du far efter med "kulturkonservativ"?

    > Dessa tänkare står i bjär kontrast till
    > "gammelmoderaterna" som var mest intresserade av skattepolitik.

    Fokus på skattepolitiken kom främst iom Bo Lundgren.
    För Bildt, Adelsohn och Bohman var skattefrågor iofs viktiga
    men inte huvudnumret. Som jag ser det var Unckel främst
    inspirerad av Bohman, han var ju i det närmaste jämnårig
    med Bildt. Och Bohman var definitivt inte någon nyliberal.
    Det är/var inte heller Adelsohn och Bildt.
    (När man nu hör Bo Lundgren, i sin nya roll, så skulle jag
    nog påstå att inte ens Bo Lundgren är nyliberal).
    Och går du tillbaka i det gamla Högerpartiets historia,
    inkluderande Sv. Valmansförbundet, så lär du knappast
    hitta många (ny)liberaler där heller.

    Vad gäller Norström, så är väl hans politiska inflytande
    mest indirekt (såsom en sorts förebild den den Göteborgska
    unghögern tidigt i förra seklet, vars ideer i viss mån var
    ganska radikala, snarare en slags proto-fascism med
    antidemokratiska och korporativa böjelser), men eftersom
    jag själv inte läst Norström vet jag inte hur mycket av detta
    tankegods som fanns i hans eget tänkande.

    /Ulf Sundin


    == 2 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:57
    Från: Charlie R

    Sat, 1 Oct 2011 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT), M Winther ba:

    >> /Ulf Sundin

    > Du vet inte vad konservatismens ideer inneb�r. Sannolikt har du inte
    > studerat konservatismens f�retr�dare, s�som Folke Leander, och min
    > favorit, Vitalis Norstr�m.

    Hur skulle tv� personer, f�dda p� 1800- resp. 1900-talet, kunna vara
    f�reg�ngare till en ideologi med 1700-talsfilosofen Edmund Burke som
    l�rofader?

    �r du riktigt s�ker p� ven det �r som inte vet vad konservatismens
    id�er inneb�r?


    Charlie.
    --
    Well, we've come full circle, Lord; I'd like to think there's some
    higher meaning to all this. It would certainly reflect well on you.

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Vårdcentraler ges bort gratis
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/c97e78e3b29eed99?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 04:24
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    On 2 Okt, 20:14, "- Kjelle" <kje...@sverige.nu> wrote:
    > Ulf Sundin wrote:

    > > Vilka "marknadsvärden" är det han här avser?
    > > Som jag ser på en vårdcentrals "marknadsvärde",
    > > så består den huvudsakligen av den personal
    > > som finns där. Ett attraktivt läge skulle iofs också
    > > kunna räknas in. För personalen betalar företaget
    > > löner, och för läget (lokalen) betalas hyra.
    > > Vilka "marknadsvärden" är det då som givits bort?
    >
    > Nu vet jag inte om den här affären är klar - men för ett år sedan såldes
    > vårdcentralerna i Nyby, Öregrund och Bålsta för sammanlagt 25
    > miljoner kronor.http://www.unt.se/uppsala/vardcentraler-ges-bort-gratis-1458082.aspx
    >
    > Det ansågs vara en hyfsad affär av alla parter då 2010.
    >
    > Medpro Clinic köpte Bålsta vårdcentral för 20,1 miljoner kronor. Proxima
    > AB fick ta över Nybys vårdcentral för 4 miljoner kr, medan
    > Praktikertjänst AB betalade 800 000 kr för Öregrunds vårdcentral. För de
    > två sistmämnda sägs att buden översteg den oberoende värderingen som då
    > gjordes.

    Tja, vad vet jag om vilka värderingar som gjorts, och vilken
    avkastning som köparna räknar med?
    En riktigt långsiktig köpare kan kanske kalkylera med en
    avkastning på eget kapital på 5%, men mer rimligt är
    kanske 10%. Ska vi då anta att Bålsta vårdcentral hade
    (eller beräknas kunna göra) en vinst på ca 2 Mkr?
    Eller hade vårdcentralen en massa fin utrustning som
    en köpare antingen kan sälja eller samordna utnyttjandet av?

    /Ulf Sundin

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Delstaten Utah (USA) inför Guld och Silvermynt
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/8164c099af766d5b?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 06:19
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    I fortsättningen måste handlare acceptera mynt i guld (Au) eller silver
    (Ag), federalt präglade, som betalningsmedel inom delstaten Utah (USA).

    De bryter sig tydligen ur det genomruttna privata Federal Reserve (som
    inte är federalt) vilka inte har någon som helst täckning för sina
    värdelösa papperslappar. Fler delstater i USA överväger nu också att
    göra något liknande. Alltfler inser att banksters inte kan få hålla på
    med sina falska sedlar och värdepapper längre.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1168/277/States_to_Financially_Break_Away_from_Federal_Government---Utah_Monetary_Declaration.html


    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Svenske monarker gør sig til idioter i Saudiarabien
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/b961f305264955b5?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 06:26
    Från: "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"


    *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
    constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
    judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
    conditions permit.*

    http://politisktinkorrekt.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tjabo_silvia_abdullah.jpg

    fra

    Kungaparet fjäskar för Saudarabien - Silvia i chador!

    http://politisktinkorrekt.info/2011/10/03/kungaparet-fjaskar-for-saudarabien-silvia-i-chador/


    Hvem var det der påstod at monarkiet er bedre end demokrati, da monarker i
    modsætning til præsidenter har karakter?


    --
    Unter blinden ist der ein ugige k nig. >.)

    Jews have paralysed our societies through the enforcement of PC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j6vr94 ) and MC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/46j2gzn ). Chieftain Netanyahu: Break the spell
    by publicly admitting your tribe's responsibility! And dump your mad dog
    Martin van Creveld ( http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vutnfl ).

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Demonstrationer och gripanden vid Bank of America i Boston (MA)
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/02306ed37cf5c8c0?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 07:11
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    Bank of America i Boston (MA) har stora demonstrationer utanför
    byggnaderna och Obamas styrkor överfaller fredliga demonstranter och
    lastar dem i mörka hundbilar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bSuEmJBQHw&feature=related

    På sätt och vis har Boston en väldigt stor historisk betydelse i USA då
    det är symbolen för revolutionen mot Brittiska Imperiet och fienden är
    den samma idag.

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Nya appmomsen 1/10-2011
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/f79254d7ecae3e4a?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 07:26
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    On 2 Okt, 10:26, "M.O.B. i L." <mika...@df.lth.se> wrote:
    > http://www.dagensps.se/artiklar/tt/2011/09/30/appmoms/index.xmlhttp://nyaaffarer.se/2011/09/28/app-momsen-slar-till-igen/http://nyaaffarer.se/2011/01/31/internetbolag-fruktar-skatteverkets-d...
    >
    > 1/10-2011 intr ffade ett dr pslag f r svensk apputveckling.
    >
    > S ljer man en app till iPhone f r 10 kr s f r apputvecklaren ut 3,70 kr
    > efter moms.
    > 3,00 kr g r till Apple
    > 2,30 kr g r till Svenska staten (vet ej varf r det inte r 2,50 kr)

    Det borde inte vara 2,50 utan 2.00 kr.
    Momspåslaget är 25% och av priset på 10 kr så
    utgör 20% (2 kr) moms.

    > 1,00 kr g r till storhertigen av Luxemburg

    Hm? Hur kommer det sig då?

    >
    > Denna ber kning kanske inte r helt korrekt ty man b r f tillbaka Moms
    > p den del som g r till Apple: 75 re.

    60 öre.
    >
    > I andra EU-l nder f r app-utvecklarna ut 6 kr. Detta r or ttvist och
    > leder till att apputvecklarna kanske l mnar landet.

    [...]

    > Momsen borde inte vara dubbel utan borde delas upp mellan utvecklings-
    > och f rs ljningsl nderna i proportion till hur m nga arbetstimmar som
    > utf rs i respektive land.

    Det enklaste är naturligtvis att varje led betalar för det
    värde som adderas till slutprodukten/tjänsten.
    Den distributionskanal som används borde enligt
    detta synsätt betala moms/VAT på skillnaden
    mellan slutpris till konsument och priset som betalas
    till utvecklarna, och utvecklarna betala moms för
    värdet som de tillfört.

    /Ulf Sundin


    == 2 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:43
    Från: Charlie R

    Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:26:53 +0200, M.O.B. i L. ba:
    > http://www.dagensps.se/artiklar/tt/2011/09/30/appmoms/index.xml

    > S�ljer man en app till iPhone f�r 10 kr s� f�r apputvecklaren ut 3,70 kr
    > efter moms.
    > 3,00 kr g�r till Apple
    > 2,30 kr g�r till Svenska staten (vet ej varf�r det inte �r 2,50 kr)
    > 1,00 kr g�r till storhertigen av Luxemburg

    > Denna ber�kning kanske inte �r helt korrekt ty man b�r f� tillbaka Moms
    > p� den del som g�r till Apple: 75 �re.
    >
    > I andra EU-l�nder f�r app-utvecklarna ut 6 kr. Detta �r or�ttvist och
    > leder till att apputvecklarna kanske l�mnar landet.

    > Sedan skall man betala skatt och sociala avgifter p� de 3,70 kronorna.

    > S�ljer man i st�llet Android-appar s� f�r man ut mer eftersom Google
    > inte tar ut lika h�g avgift som Apple.

    > Vad g�ra?

    Du ska naturligtvis vara glad att du solidariskt kan vara med och bidra
    s�pass mycket till statens utgifter. Du f�r ju �nd� ut hela 37 procent
    av f�rs�ljningssumman, och det �r faktiskt �ver pi g�nger mer �n vad en
    annan f�r beh�lla om han g�r ut och hugger ner en kubikmeter av sin skog
    f�r avsalu.

    �r du �nd� inte n�jd f�resl�r hag att du ist�llet utvecklar gratisappar
    med banners i. D� f�r du i alla fall n�got �re per visning, och redan efter
    n�got hundratal anv�ndningar av din app ligger du p� plus j�mf�rt med om
    du tar betalt f�r den.

    Vad heter den, f�rresten?


    Charlie.
    --
    Well, we've come full circle, Lord; I'd like to think there's some
    higher meaning to all this. It would certainly reflect well on you.

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Skuggregeringskri(s)
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9f37ceb2bd5004dc?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 08:34
    Från: Ulf Sundin

    On 1 Okt, 11:32, Hakvinius <hakvin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > Hakvinius skrev 2011-09-30 07:48:
    >
    > > Den socialdemokratiska "skuggregeringen" har, hur det nu är möjligt,
    > > hamnat på grund av skuggbudgeten i en regeringskris, utan man ens sitter
    > > i en regering...
    >
    > Far(s)en fortsätter. Så här skriver en politisk redaktör i deras eget
    > partiorgan:
    >
    > "Håkan Juholt är illa ute. Hela hans strategi håller på att haverera.
    > Socialdemokraterna ser att gå ut från en storkris till en annan. När
    > Mona Sahlin i november meddelade att hon tänkte lämna partiledarposten
    > ledde det till att partiet i stort sett imploderade."
    >
    > "Sedan skulle den nya politiken presenteras. Fundamentet skulle läggas i
    > Socialdemokraternas alternativ till regeringens förslag till höstbudget.
    > Den presenteras på tisdag. Men nu håller strategin på att haverera."
    >
    > http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13711265.ab

    Det verkar ju som Tjohultarn och hans side-kick nu tvingas
    backa. Naturligtvis utan att erkänna att det just det man
    gör. Nej, det har inte funnits något budgetförslag, bara
    något utkast för att fånga upp partiets åsikter.

    Jag undra om inte detta är Tjohultarns ödesstund,
    jämförbart med när Sahlin fick backa för partivänsterns
    krav på att Vänsterpartiet skulle ingå i det rödgröna
    utmanarlaget? Efter den snöpningen var Sahlins
    förnyelsemandat bortsopat, och hon tvingades att
    lyssna och anpassa sig (och invänta valnederlaget).
    Vad kan Juholt/Waiderlich göra nu, om partivänstern
    har fått dem att backa och anpassa sig?

    /Ulf Sundin


    == 2 av 2 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:25
    Från: Charlie R

    Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:32:37 +0200, Hakvinius ba:

    > Far(s)en forts�tter. S� h�r skriver en politisk redakt�r i deras eget
    > partiorgan:

    > "H�kan Juholt �r illa ute. Hela hans strategi h�ller p� att haverera.

    Hela hans vad�f�rn�nting?

    > Socialdemokraterna ser att g� ut fr�n en storkris till en annan. N�r
    > Mona Sahlin i november meddelade att hon t�nkte l�mna partiledarposten
    > ledde det till att partiet i stort sett imploderade."

    Hon var �nd� en intellektuell gigant j�mf�rt med Knohultarn, men det
    hade ingen knappast n�gon anledning att varsebli innan det var f�r sent
    att g�ra n�got �t saken.

    > "Sedan skulle den nya politiken presenteras.

    Den nya vad�f�rn�t?

    > Fundamentet skulle l�ggas i
    > Socialdemokraternas alternativ till regeringens f�rslag till h�stbudget.
    > Den presenteras p� tisdag. Men nu h�ller strategin p� att haverera."

    > http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13711265.ab


    Helledudane d�....


    Charlie.
    --
    Well, we've come full circle, Lord; I'd like to think there's some
    higher meaning to all this. It would certainly reflect well on you.

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Ockupera Los Angeles ökar i antal
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/3844cdd2fb3963c7?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 09:52
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    De i 'Ockupera Los Angeles' st�djer demonstranterna i 'Ockupera Wall
    Street' och t�nker stanna utanf�r City Hall i L.A. tills det kommer en
    l�sning p� det hela. De �r inte glada �t de bilder p� polis-�vergrepp de
    sett fr�n New York men r�knar inte med s�dant i Los Angeles eftersom
    polisen d�r f�rlorar sina pensioner och har det allm�nt lika besv�rligt
    sj�lva.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9QFgJ2vWQ

    Arbetsl�sheten s�gs nu ligga p� uppemot 25% om man r�knar utst�mplade
    och de som helt enkelt givit upp att s�ka jobb. USA �r bankrutt och
    trycker bara papperslappar som stadigt sjunker i v�rde. Men de har r�d
    att h�lla en krigsmakt som kostar lika mycket som alla andra l�nders
    tillsammans.

    USA har tusentalet milit�ra baser runt om i v�rlden f�r att gynna
    bankirernas koloniala ambitioner. Samtidigt dras det in p� pensioner och
    alla former av bidrag till det egna folket. �ven milit�rveteranerna
    drabbas, s� hur det p�verkar stridsmoralen hos de aktiva krigarna g�r ju
    att undra �ver...


    == 2 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:00
    Från: "Avos"

    Mikael Forsberg<mikaelforsberg@ymail.com> wrote:
    > De i 'Ockupera Los Angeles' stödjer demonstranterna i 'Ockupera Wall
    > Street' och tänker stanna utanför City Hall i L.A. tills det kommer en
    > lösning på det hela. De är inte glada åt de bilder på polis-övergrepp de
    > sett från New York men räknar inte med sådant i Los Angeles eftersom
    > polisen där förlorar sina pensioner och har det allmänt lika besvärligt
    > själva.
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9QFgJ2vWQ
    > Arbetslösheten sägs nu ligga på uppemot 25% om man räknar utstämplade
    > och de som helt enkelt givit upp att söka jobb. USA är bankrutt och
    > trycker bara papperslappar som stadigt sjunker i värde. Men de har råd
    > att hålla en krigsmakt som kostar lika mycket som alla andra länders
    > tillsammans.
    > USA har tusentalet militära baser runt om i världen för att gynna
    > bankirernas koloniala ambitioner. Samtidigt dras det in på pensioner och
    > alla former av bidrag till det egna folket. Även militärveteranerna
    > drabbas, så hur det påverkar stridsmoralen hos de aktiva krigarna går ju
    > att undra över...
    Har säsongen för löjfisket börjat ännu?

    --
    Android Usenet Reader
    http://android.newsgroupstats.hk


    == 3 av 3 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:55
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    On 2011-10-03 21:00, Avos wrote:
    > Mikael Forsberg<mikaelforsberg@ymail.com> wrote:
    >> De i 'Ockupera Los Angeles' stödjer demonstranterna i 'Ockupera Wall
    >> Street' och tänker stanna utanför City Hall i L.A. tills det kommer en
    >> lösning på det hela. De är inte glada åt de bilder på polis-övergrepp
    >> de sett från New York men räknar inte med sådant i Los Angeles
    >> eftersom polisen där förlorar sina pensioner och har det allmänt lika
    >> besvärligt själva.
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9QFgJ2vWQ
    >> Arbetslösheten sägs nu ligga på uppemot 25% om man räknar utstämplade
    >> och de som helt enkelt givit upp att söka jobb. USA är bankrutt och
    >> trycker bara papperslappar som stadigt sjunker i värde. Men de har råd
    >> att hålla en krigsmakt som kostar lika mycket som alla andra länders
    >> tillsammans.
    >> USA har tusentalet militära baser runt om i världen för att gynna
    >> bankirernas koloniala ambitioner. Samtidigt dras det in på pensioner
    >> och alla former av bidrag till det egna folket. Även
    >> militärveteranerna drabbas, så hur det påverkar stridsmoralen hos de
    >> aktiva krigarna går ju att undra över...
    > Har säsongen för löjfisket börjat ännu?

    Äter inte fisk. Men kan väl tänka mig att spetsa en torsk.


    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Portugiser-fusker António Guterres: 'Multikulturalismus nicht nur gute
    Sache, sondern unvermeidbar' - specielt i hans strandvilla...
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9a12f06fb99788fe?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 11:12
    Från: "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Guterres


    *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
    constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
    judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
    conditions permit.*


    Die Fremdenfeindlichkeit nimmt weltweit zu

    http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/politik/international/fremdenfeindlichkeit_nimmt_zu_1.12799974.html


    Hvorfor sidder der portugiser-fuskere p� h�je internationale poster? Endnu
    et eksempel er Jos� Manuel Barroso, EU-Kommission. Portugal er et
    lorte-land, lavet ved lorte-folk.


    --
    Unter blinden ist der ein ugige k nig. >.)

    Jews have paralysed our societies through the enforcement of PC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j6vr94 ) and MC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/46j2gzn ). Chieftain Netanyahu: Break the spell
    by publicly admitting your tribe's responsibility! And dump your mad dog
    Martin van Creveld ( http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vutnfl ).

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: Ockupera 'Allting'
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/9d3a6c9d0ade6651?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 11:56
    Från: Mikael Forsberg

    Nu framf�rs potentialen med missn�jet i USA att det kan leda till
    ockupation av vad som helst. Media i USA som till st�rsta delen �gs
    eller kontrolleras av Wall Street rapporterar knappt om vad som h�nder,
    men folk d�r f�r 45% av alla nyheter via internet s� det har inte lika
    stor betydelse l�ngre. �ver 80% av befolkningen har helt tappat
    f�rtroendet f�r politik och banketablissemanget.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQW0hHa1WP4

    ==============================================================================
    ÄMNE: I Europa må muhammedanere, der ikke står op i domstolen, gerne lave
    hvad dem behager - i USA bliver de anholdt
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/t/fc4f6272bddb9499?hl=sv
    ==============================================================================

    == 1 av 1 ==
    Datum: Mån 3 Okt 2011 12:14
    Från: "Michael Laudahn eOpposition"


    *Message and author protected by the 1st amendment (free speech) and similar
    constitutional provisions. Violations of this provision through actions by
    judiciary and other government criminals will be prosecuted as soon as
    conditions permit.*

    Minn. woman facing Somalia terror case arrested

    A Minnesota woman accused of funneling money to a terrorist group in Somalia
    was handcuffed and removed from a courtroom Monday when she refused to stand
    for the judge hearing the case.


    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TERRORISM_US_SOMALIA?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=


    --
    Unter blinden ist der ein ugige k nig. >.)

    Jews have paralysed our societies through the enforcement of PC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j6vr94 ) and MC (
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/46j2gzn ). Chieftain Netanyahu: Break the spell
    by publicly admitting your tribe's responsibility! And dump your mad dog
    Martin van Creveld ( http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vutnfl ).


    ==============================================================================

    Du fick detta meddelande eftersom du prenumererar på Google-grupper "swnet.politik"
    grupp.

    Om du vill skicka ett meddelande till den här gruppen, besök http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik?hl=sv

    Om du vill avsluta prenumerationen på den här gruppen skickar du ett brev
    till swnet.politik+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

    Om du vill hur du får post från den här gruppen går du in på:
    http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/subscribe?hl=sv

    Om du vill rapportera otillåten användning skickar du ett brev med en
    förklaring av problemet till abuse@googlegroups.com


    ==============================================================================
    Google-grupper: http://groups.google.com/?hl=sv