Friday 12 April 2013

[PF:172030] far away yet nowhere...


 
where does this path lead to, that leads far away yet nowhere?
does it disappear into the darkness or is it darkness itself?
where it leads to i follow, not knowing where it leads,
when it sings my heart sings along, not knowing what it sings.
when all the whispers sound like music, why does my heart then beat out of tune?
when all my senses surrendered to this darkness, why do i wonder in my own darkness then?
when my being speaks the language of senses, why does my journey then make no sense?
when this mystical journey breaks all fences, why does my being then feel so tense?
like fire in water or water on fire which seems without reason, yet makes water sweat.
journey without journeying,  ends without ending, away from darkness and in darkness itself.
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[PF:172030] aur kuch nhi hota.

Aur Kuch Nahi Hota To Bhari Barish Mein, 
Tujh Se Bichre Hue Raston Par Safar Karta Hun…


Aur Kuch Nahi Hota To Bhari Barish Mein, 
Tujh Se Bichre Hue Raston Par Safar Karta Hun…







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[PF:172030] Missimg husband



 
Missing Husband
 A lady went to the police station to file a report for her missing Husband:

Lady: I lost my Husband
Inspector: What is his height?
Lady: I never noticed
Inspector: Slim or healthy?
Lady: Not slim can be healthy
Inspector: Colour of eye?
Lady: Never noticed
Inspector: Colour of hair?
Lady: Changes according to season
Inspector: What was he wearing?
Lady: suit/casuals I don't remember exactly
Inspector: Was somebody with him ?????????
Lady: Yes my Labrador dog, Calvin, tied with a golden chain, height 30 inches, healthy, blue eyes, blackish brown hair, hisleft foot  thumb nail is slightly broken, he never barks, wearing a golden belt studded with blue balls, he likes non veg food, we eat together, we jog together…. And the lady started crying…..



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[PF:172030] To my Punjabi friends ........and the others also to enjoy!!





 
 
 
  
  Photo: Hilarious Photo: Punjabi Tips #75 Photo: That look on your face when you ask your dad for money! Photo: Punjabi Tip #68        Bhangra paaao saalyo!  Photo:   Touching scene....!!!!!!!!!!!!Photo: Punjabi Tip #61        Special thanks to Shashank Amrohi! 
   
 
 
 
 
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[PF:172030] Question: "How to kill an Ant?"



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Question: "How to kill an ant?"

Asked in an exam for 10 marks!

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Student:

Mix chilli powder with sugar,& Keep it outside the ant's hole After eating, ant will search for some water near a water tank. Push ant in to it!



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[PF:172030] boht be-chain rehti he.







Bohat bechain rehti hy tabiyat ab meri "mohsin" 

Mujhe ab qatal hona hy magr qatil nahe milta.....




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[karachi-Friends] Fw: Re: QADIANI CULT HAVING EPIlEPTiC FITS ON QURANIC PROOF OF FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD.



--- On Fri, 4/12/13, syed Ahmed <qaseem39us@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: syed Ahmed <qaseem39us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: QADIANI CULT HAVING EPIlEPTiC FITS ON QURANIC PROOF OF FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD.
To: "Ansar Raza" <ansar58@gmail.com>, "Aurangzeb Khan" <axk1023@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Friday, April 12, 2013, 11:41 PM

 
Jazakallaho khyr al jaza Aurangzeb Khan Saheb for telling qadiyanis that the aqeedah of KHATAM-AN-NABIYYEEN is a divinely decided matter and that it is not open to discussion or disapproval any more.
 
WOULD YOU MIND TELLING THE DEOBANDIS THE SAME THING IN VIVID TERMS THAT THEIR IMAM AND FOUNDER OF DEOBAND MADRASSAH, QASIM NAN TAWWI, OPENED THIS ONCE CLOSED MATTER CANNOT BE OPENED FOR DISCUSSION ANY MORE. THIS MADE QASIM AND HIS BELIEVERS FALL IN THE SAME ROW AS THAT OF QADIYANIS.
 
ANYBODY WHO TAKES QASIM NAN TAWWI AS A MUSLIM, IS A KAFIR AS TAKING A KAFIR AS A MUSLIM IS A KUFR IN ITSELF.


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Subject: Re: QADIANI CULT HAVING EPIlEPTiC FITS ON QURANIC PROOF OF FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD.
To: "Ansar Raza" <ansar58@gmail.com>
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Date: Friday, April 12, 2013, 4:27 PM

I am sending it again, after rewording my poor choice of words. In this, I have shown Ansar Raza and all other Qadiani fanatic their obvious and intentional gross misinterpretation of Quran.  

Ansar, refuting is not the word for you. Refutation is for those who have half a leg to stand on.  You have no leg to stand on. You simply think that we Muslims are just as blind as you are. 

Just I have repeatedly shown you your mutilations of Quran.  Many others have done even better job. 

First of all, the matter of Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood) is not open for a debate.  It is an established and closed matter.  Considering it open for debate, or even demanding evidence to disprove it is no different than having doubt about it.

My only purpose for responding to Qadianis is to show them their gross misinterpretations or Quran.   Their misinterpretations are clearly intentional and very well crafted to misguide and confuse.  

I will first start with Qadiani objection to Quranic verse 33:40.  

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last/final of the prophets (Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen). And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

We can start with the objection raised by Khawar, that it was revealed in 5th year of Hijrah.  Perhaps this is his argument that it could not be an integral part of Muslim Aqeedah, or Belief, because it was not part of Muslim Aqeedah till it was revealed in Quran.

I am sure that Muslims can already see logical folly in Mr. Khawar's argument.  But let me explain it to Khawar as well as his fellow Qadianis, especially Ansar, again.

Firstly, this verse, 33:40, was revealed when Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) married Um-ul-Mo'mineen Zaiynab after her divorce from Zaid (RA) who was adopted son of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).  This was to show that an adopted son is not one's real son.  So, is it part of Islamic belief or not, that an adopted son is not like one's own son, even so much that you can marry the divorced wife of your adopted son?  And if it is part of Muslim belief, after being revealed in 5th year of Hijrah, then why can Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen (Final of Prophets) not be part of the Belief?  

And to say that since Khaatan-un-Nabiyeen (Final of Prophets) was revealed in 5th year of Hijrah was the first time Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood) was ever given is also not true.  Sure, this was first and only time it was mentioned in Quran, but we have numerous Ahadeeth that made it clear for Sahaba that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was the Final Prophet of Allah.

Therefore, this objection is bogus and has been shown so.

You have also seen objections from Ansar Raza in his emails.  He quoted Surat-ul-Ambia (21:73), which Qadianis count as 21:74.  I will copy for you 21:71-74, and you will yourself see that it was about previous Prophets of Allah, and have nothing to do with the subject of Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood).  The verses were in the past tense, as they were revealed.
And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.

And We gave him Isaac and Jacob in addition, and all [of them] We made righteous.

And We made them leaders guiding by Our command. And We inspired to them the doing of good deeds, establishment of prayer, and giving of zakah; and they were worshippers of Us.

And to Lot We gave judgement and knowledge, and We saved him from the city that was committing wicked deeds. Indeed, they were a people of evil, defiantly disobedient.

Are these people blind, or just mindless fanatic enemies of Allah?  انا لله وانا اليه راجعون

It is identical case with Ansar Raza's argument of Surat-ulSajdah (32:24), Qadianis count it as 32:25.  If you simply read 32:23-24, you will see that it is about Prophet Musa (pbuh) and Bani Israel.  Nothijng whatsoever to do with the subject of Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood).

In my previous exchange of emails, Ansar Raza als raised unrelated issues about Mithaaq (Covenant) that Allah took with Bani Israel regarding the Prophets that HE was to send to them.  I showed him his utter confusion, and invited him to become my Muslim brother, before he chose to block me out.

Anyways, is it not obvious that they intentionally cause this confusion to misguide others, although the verses of Quran are very clear?

Now to my proof from Quran, as it was the demand from Qadianis to provide reference from Quran only.  Obviously, they hate to have Ahadeeth brought out, knowing that it would be a knockout punch for them.

Evidence 1:- In Quran (33:40), where the phrase "Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen" is used, is self-explanatory.  The Arabic phrase has specific meanings, which exactly means "Last (or Final) of the Prophets".  Quran is not a Dictionary of Arabic wprds and phrases.  In stead, it is revealed in the language of Arabic.  So, inherently the phrase does not need to be explained.  The meanings are clear and established.

In the verse 
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.  

Does Khatam in the above verse not mean that Allah has sealed off, or closed off their hearts?  This is exactly what it means in the verse below.  That Allah sealed off, or closed off granting Prophethood after Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last (or final) of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

Evidence 2:- In Quran (2:4), Allah describes Muttaqoon (Muslims.  In this verse, the requirements for Muslims are to have Belief in what was being revealed to Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and what was revealed before him.  In addition, to have a complete belief in Hereafter (Aakhirah).  There is not a single place in Quran where Muslims are instructed to also follow or believe in those who were to come after Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).  Qadianis are challenged here to provide a single verse from Quran substantiating that there will be more prophets after Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).  This completely supports Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood).

And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and are firm in Faith about the Hereafter.

Evidence 3:- In Quran (5:3), Allah declares for the Muslims that He had on that Day PERFECTED their Religion, COMPLETED His Blessing, and chosen Islam as Religion for them.  Allah had previously only used similar Words for His Prophets and Messengers in singular terms, meaning that the perfection of Religion and completion of Blessing was only confined to the Prophet He was addressing.  But this time, the plural term is for Muslims as a Nation (Ummah).  So, when the Blessing had been completed, and and Religion perfected, purpose of Prophethood was completed.  very consistent with Khatam-e-Nabuwat (Finality of Prophethood).

............This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfectedfor you (plural) your religion and completed My Blessing upon you (plural) and have approved for you (plural) Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

So, again, the matter is absolutely clear.  Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was the final Prophet.  No more prophets will be made after him.  Qadianis also have to see the claims of Mirza Qadiani, before they start messing with Quran.  Sometimes he claims to be second coming of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), other times Prophet Eesa (pbuh).  He claims that Ahmed and Muhammed mentioned in Quran were references to him.  But later he says that he is some Bruzi or Zilli Nabi. 

The fact is that he was a Shaiytaan, who came to recruit people for Hell Fire.  

Ansar Raza tries to tell us that Mirza was a reformer.  As if we Muslims cannot differentiate between a reformer and a crook.  Just this link will reveal what reforms Mirza had in mind.  For those who can't read Urdu, I can translate Mirza Qadiani's pornographic piece of work for you.      


I challenge Ansar Raza to read this link to the ladies in his house, containing Mirza Qadiani's description before Allah.  I think Ansar Raza will neither read this liknk to his mother, sister, or daughter, nor will he translate it.  I am sure he has lot more shame than Mirza Qadiani did.

I request Qadianis to give up Mirza's cult and come to the Light that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) brought.



From: Ansar Raza <ansar58@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, April 11, 2013 5:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: QADIANI CULT HAVING EPIlEPTiC FITS ON QURANIC PROOF OF FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD.

Axk1023

You never produced evidence from Quran regarding finality of Prophethood.

On Thursday, April 11, 2013, Axk1023 wrote:
Khawar - I have given irrefutable proof from Quran regarding Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen, that it means Final of Prophets. No one with a working brain can deny my proof. 

Have I not given at least three clear verses from Quran that instruct that there is nothing to come after Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)?  

If you do not agree, then instead of Qadiani style screeching and jumping like chimpanzees, why don't you copy / paste the verses that I have given, and tell me how they do not prove Finality of Prophethood?  

Let me predict. You are again going to Qadiani style screech and jump like chimpanzees. :)
 

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On Apr 11, 2013, at 1:57 PM, "Khawar" <khawar-m@usa.net> wrote:

Mr. Aurangzeb,

We all are well aware of your claim ‘in addition to verse 33:40 and other verses’ in support of phrase Khatamunnabiyyin so let you not kid others in the forum. You have miserably failed to produce another verse which approves your meaning of word Khatam as the Last, a question being asked repeatedly by Mr. Ahmed Ismail.

Your statement <<<This is the established Aqeedah of Muslims. This means that believing in Finality of Prophethood is a requirement of being a Muslim.>>> . Do you know as to when this verse with the phrase ‘Khatamunnabiyyin’ was revealed??? Wouldn’t you agree that by 5 Hijra, the major portion of the ministry of Syedna Mohammad (SAW) had passed and the belief in Khatamunnabiyyin was never a part of the fundamentals of Islamic faith. There was no one more competent than Syedna Mohammad (SAW) to tell us about the fundamentals of Islam.

Ibn Umar states: ‘The messenger of Allah (SAW) said that Islam is based on 5 fundamentals. One bearing witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Mohammad (SAW). Two observing Salat, Three, paying Zakat. Four, making the pilgrimage to the House of Allah. Five, fasting in the month of Ramadhan’. ( Tirmidhi)

That was all said by Syedna Mohammad (SAW) regarding 5 fundamentals of Islamic faith. Now people have added a sixth one as Nauzubillah Syedna Mohammad (SAW) was not aware of it.

So Please keep this Aqeedah separate from the true Islam. And Sharm karo !!!!

 

Jazak Allah

 
Khawar Mumtaz
From: Axk1023 [mailto:axk1023@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:14 PM
To: Khawar
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ??? THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD !!! REPLY ANY SINGLE, AT LEAST ONE WORD FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN ?????? WHERE ARE YOUR REPLY TO THE "Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen" (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40) THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD ???
 
Mr. Khawar -
 
There are numerous Ahadeeth, in addition to verse 33:40 and other verses, that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was the Final Prophet - Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen. 
 
This is the established Aqeedah of Muslims. This means that believing in Finality of Prophethood is a requirement of being a Muslim. 
 
If you are concerned about being a Muslim, then you (and I too) will have to  have the same belief as that of the Sahaba, taught in Quran and Sunnah. 
 
What you are referring to was invented by Mirza Qadiani who did so by mutilating the meanings of Quran. 
 
If you are interested in coming to Islam and saving yourself from Hell, I will be glad to help. You can communicate with me in private. 

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On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:21 AM, "Khawar" <khawar-m@usa.net> wrote:

We can look at the Ahadith from another angle………… By mentioning a figure ( 27, 30 or 70 ), aren’t these Ahadith indicating that there COULD BE true Prophets in the future.
Zara Sochiye !!!!
 
Jazak Allah
 
Khawar Mumtaz
From: Humayun Rasheed [mailto:rana.humayun.rasheed@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:07 PM
To: Aurangzeb Khan
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ??? THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD !!! REPLY ANY SINGLE, AT LEAST ONE WORD FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN ?????? WHERE ARE YOUR REPLY TO THE "Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen" (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40) THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD ???
 
Assalam u alaikum
There are two type or narrations reached to us.
1- There will be 70 Kazzab in my Ummat.
2- There will be 30 Kazzab in my Ummat all will claim they are Prophet while ...
 
So, GA Parveiz and Ghamidi are in those 70 until they can be categorized further. GA Parveiz never claimed but Ghamidi still have chance.
 
All those who know Arabic knows that the word 70 has two meanings. One is exact 70 and other means "lot of" like 200, 500 like this.
 
In Sharah (commentary) books you can see that 70 is interpreted by some scholars as "lot of" while 30 is interpreted same as is. In a narration it is said that there will be 27 Kazzab ... So apparently it seems contradiction, while if you can say that the three Kazzab who appeared at last age of Rasoolullah s.a.w. and were killed just after his s.a.w. death were not counted in this second narration by Rasoolullah s.a.w. so said 27, while talking as a whole he s.a.w. said 30.
 
-Humayun.

 

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Aurangzeb Khan <axk1023@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And don't forget to list Ghamidi, the new Pervaiz wannabe.
 

From: syed Ahmed <qaseem39us@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, April 8, 2013 11:44:27 PM
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ??? THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD !!! REPLY ANY SINGLE, AT LEAST ONE WORD FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN ?????? WHERE ARE YOUR REPLY TO THE "Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen" (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40) THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD ????


iF YOU REFER TO GALAXY 10.1, PLEASE INCLUDE PARWAIZ IN THE LIST.

--- On Mon, 4/8/13, Humayun Rasheed <rana.humayun.rasheed@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Humayun Rasheed <rana.humayun.rasheed@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE ALLAH ( HOLY QUR'AN ) SAYS ??? THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD !!! REPLY ANY SINGLE, AT LEAST ONE WORD FROM THE HOLY QUR'AN ?????? WHERE ARE YOUR REPLY TO THE "Khaatam-un-Nabiyeen" (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40) THE LAST OR FINALITY PROPHETHOOD ????
To: "Muhammad Latif Chaudhery" <latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 11:39 PM

Ok, I will count and let you know count of 30 is achieved or still more to appear.
Sent from Gmail on Galaxy Note 10.1
On Apr 9, 2013 5:14 AM, "Muhammad Latif Chaudhery" <latif.m.chaudhery@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Humayun Rasheed
Why you are always evasive. I asked you. Is the danger of counterfeit prophets over or have we have to be vigilant for more to come? What according to your knowledge is the number of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed  Qadiani among the 30, you said were foreknew in Hadith?
Sincerely
Muhammad Latif Chaudhery
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From: Humayun Rasheed

To: Muhammad Latif Chaudhery
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:42 PM


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[karachi-Friends] What's behind north Korea's nuclear threats to USA

Despite being poor and underdeveloped, North Korean pauper leader pay the USA in  her own coin.


Pakistani  leaders can learn from North Korea.

What's behind North Korea's nuclear posturing

 

 
BY WILLIAM MARSDEN, POSTMEDIA NEWS APRIL 12, 2013
 
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What&#8217;s behind North Korea&#8217;s nuclear posturing
 

Missiles are displayed during a military parade in Pyongyang, North Korea.

Photograph by: PEDRO UGARTE/AFP/Getty Images , Postmedia News

WASHINGTON – Just off the Korean Peninsula, the United States this week deployed a missile-tracking system that looks like a giant golf ball resting atop an oil platform.  Towed from the navy yards in Hawaii, the Sea-Based-X Radar communicates missile trajectories to interceptors.

North Korea's recent volley of nuclear threats has stunned American officials. Not even the Soviet Union ever verbally threatened the U.S. like this. It has officials scrambling to reposition defence shields just in case the North Koreans are actually serious, which few people believe is the case, but you never know. The threats have been that shrill.

Last week the hermit state led by its boy dictator Kim Jong Un — otherwise known as the "Dear Leader" — moved a Musudan rocket, with an estimated range of about 4,000 kilometres, to the east coast. The U.S. believes it is now fuelled and ready for a test run expected on Monday, the 101 birthday celebrations of North Korea's founder Kim Il-sung, grandfather to Un.  The state also is expected to test the Taepondong-2 with a range of 6,000 kilometres, enough to hit Alaska.

What can be done about this hermit state's nuclear aspirations and its threats of war?

Not much. North Korea's regime has made its nuclear program its life blood since it began in the late 1950s with help from the former Soviet Union.  Since then this impoverished nation with its own uranium resources has successfully launched long range missiles. It also has tested three nuclear devices. The most recent was in February and caused an earthquake that registered 5.1 in magnitude. The estimated yield was six to seven kilotons, according to South Korean officials. The results are featured on stamps and billboards. Crowds in public squares cry out that they will never surrender their nukes.

A key uncertainty for the West is whether the north has the ability to arm a missile with a nuclear warhead.

"They have nuclear devices that they can detonate for a test, but they haven't been able to master the very sophisticated technological process of miniaturizing a device to sit on a warhead," Terence Roehrig, professor of national security affairs and the director of the Asia-Pacific studies group at U.S. Navy War College in Newport, R.I., said in an interview.

Others aren't too sure about that. Even the U.S. Defence Department appears divided on this vital issue.  In 2005, it's Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) told Congress that North Korea could arm a missile, but then backtracked. This week a congressman read into the congressional record the following statement from a DIA report that has yet to be made public: "DIA assesses with moderate confidence the north currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles, however, the reliability will be low."

A surprised Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, refused to comment on the DIA assessment because, he told Congress, he hadn't seen it.

Experts, however, agree that whatever the status of North Korea's nuclear program, it fully intends to continue to develop a nuclear capability that will allow it to strike the "imperialist" United States.

"North Korea is trying to make the statement that it is a nuclear power, that it wants to be dealt with as a nuclear power, that that's part of its domestic prestige and also part of international prestige and leverage," Roehrig said. "It is very unlikely to me that North Korea will ever be willing to give up its nuclear weapons."

The U.S. and its Asia-Pacific allies are equally determined that North Korea does not develop a nuclear arsenal.  Sanctions have failed and  the U.S. Congress would never agree to a deal that would allow the north to retain nuclear weapons, Marcus Noland, a fellow at the Peterson Institute and author of several books on North Korea, said in an interview.

He said the possibility of a nuclear attack on the U.S. is "a fantasy" because North Korea does not have that capability.

"The real danger is a conventional military provocation, because the South Koreans have already publicly announced that they will respond in kind. They will escalate. And if the South Koreans fire back and if they go after higher level military units in North Korea, no one knows where that will end."

North Korea has about 1.1 million soldiers under arms of which 200,000 are "special operations troops that are highly trained and very good at what they do," Roehrig said. It also has a large tank and artillery force plus a multiple-rocket launching system that could quickly destroy Seoul. But their equipment is old and spare parts are few.

"Estimates are that North Korea would be able to rain down a lot of damage say in the first 30 days of an attack, but conventionally they would get hammered by the S.K. and U.S. response," he said. "I think North Korea knows that and that's why the nuclear capability is so important as it compensates for an aging conventional capability.

There's a semi-decadal rhythm to North Korea's threats. They come every five years coinciding with the arrival of a new South Korean president.  This year also coincided with South Korea's joint military exercises with the United States, which included B-52 bombers, which the north found particularly provocative.

"So what we have now is a confluence of these two events," Noland said. "We have a new South Korean president and we have military exercises.  So North Korean vitriol is expected, but this time around it really seems to have reached new heights."

In addition, it is believed that the ruling family of Kim Jong Un, who is the youngest of three brothers and only got the job after his eldest brother was arrested and interrogated in Tokyo in 2001, is still trying to consolidate its position within the communist regime, Roehrig said.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is off to China to persuade Chinese leaders to calm down its client state. But China finds itself with a tricky balancing act.

Chinese trade and aid keeps North Korea afloat. In exchange, North Korea is a useful pawn. "It gives China plausible deniability in North Korea's cooperation in the nuclear sphere and missile area with Pakistan and Iran, two countries that give the U.S. and India, China's chief strategic rivals, heartburn," Noland said.

But, he said, China also has to be concerned that North Korea's threats are pushing Asia-Pacific countries towards the U.S. and could result in South Korea and Japan developing their own nuclear deterrent. A February poll of 1,000 South Koreans showed 66.5 per cent support for obtaining nuclear weapons.

He went on to say that China fears that if it pressures North Korea too much the regime would collapse.  "So paradoxically it is North Korea's weakness that gives it the licence to engage in these provocations because while China may disapprove and China may take mild actions to try to discipline North Korea, in the end China fears instability in North Korea more than it fears other outcomes associated with North Korean behaviour," he said.

wmarsden@postmedia.com



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