From: Sword of Allah <sword.of.allah.313@gmail.com>
Date: 2012/2/20
Subject: Part 3 Refuting GF HADDAD : Ya Shaykh Madad Istighatha or Istiana
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· Qadhi Shawkani went on and said
فيا عجبًا! كيف يطمع من له أدنى نصيب من علم، أو أقل حفظ من عرفان أن ينفعه أو يضره فرد من أفراد أمة هذا النبي الذي يقول عن نفسه هذه المقالة ؟ والحال أنه فرد منالتابعين له المقتدين بشرعه.
فهل سمعت أذنَاكَ- أرشدك الله- بضلال عقل أكبر من هذا الضلال الذي وقع فيه عباد أهل القبور؟!
(إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون).
وقد أوضحنا هذا أبلغ إيضاح في رسالتنا التي سميناها " الدر النضيد في إخلاص كلمة التوحيد
How strange!, people have creed for the person who have normal knowledge and small muarifat that he have authority over good and preventing the pains of people, he is in the Ummah of That Prophet who said (I possess no power over benefit or harm to myself)
And this man is in followers of Prophet, have you ever heard about more deviancy Like what these worshipers of grave say? Inna Lillah wa inna iliyhe Rajioon
We have mentioned in detail on this issue in our Risalah Ad dur al nzeed fe ikhilaas kalmia tul tawheed (end)
· This is the hadith Qadhi Shawkani is Talking About
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: When the words "And warn your tribe (O Muhammad) of near kindred" [al-Shu'ara' 26:214] were revealed to him, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "O people of Quraysh (or words to that effect)! Ransom yourselves, I cannot avail you anything before Allaah. O Banu 'Abd Manaaf, I cannot avail you anything before Allaah. O 'Abbaas ibn 'Abd al-Muttalib, I cannot avail you anything before Allaah. O Safiyah, (paternal) aunt of the Messenger of Allaah, I cannot avail you anything before Allaah. O Faatimah, daughter of the Messenger of Allaah, ask me for whatever you want of my wealth, I cannot avail you anything before Allaah." Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2602) and Muslim (206).
And then Qadhi Shawkani went on and mentioned the bad things of domes on graves
· al-Shawkani says in الدر النضيد في إخلاص كلمة التوحيد page no: 150
If this is not kufr then there is no kufr on EARTH!(end)
Comment: Even If it is not clear to Haddad after watching clear statements of Qur`an Sunnah Sahaba, Tabiyeen and Qadhi Shawkani himself then i have no choice but to quote the verse of the Qur`an [002:018] They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
Haddad Said.
5. Ahmad relates in his Musnad (4:217) that at the time of the greatest fitna of the Dajjal, when the Muslims will be at their weakest point, and just before `Isa ibn Maryam descends at the time of salat al-fajr, people will hear a caller calling out three times: "O people, al-ghawth (the helper) has come to you!"
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This is chain from musnad ahmad bin hamble
رقم الحديث: 17551
(حديث مرفوع) حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ ، عَن عَلِيِّ بْنِ زَيْدٍ ، عَن أَبِي نَضْرَةَ ، قَالَ : أَتَيْنَا عُثْمَانَ بْنَ أَبِي الْعَاصِ فِي يَوْمِ جُمُعَةٍ لِنَعْرِضَ عَلَيْهِ مُصْحَفًا لَنَا عَلَى مُصْحَفِهِ . فَلَمَّا حَضَرَتْ الْجُمُعَةُ أَمَرَنَا فَاغْتَسَلْنَا ، ثُمَّ أُتِينَا بِطِيبٍ فَتَطَيَّبْنَا ، ثُمَّ جِئْنَا الْمَسْجِدَ ، فَجَلَسْنَا إِلَى رَجُلٍ ، فَحَدَّثَنَا عَنِ الدَّجَّالِ . ثُمَّ جَاءَ عُثْمَانُ بْنُ أَبِي الْعَاصِ ، فَقُمْنَا إِلَيْهِ فَجَلَسْنَا ، فَقَالَ : سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ،
Source:
http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=121&hid=17551&pid=672873
In this chain the narrator is علي بن زيد بن عبد الله بن زهير بن عبد الله بن جدعان he is a shia weak munkir ul hadeeth narrator also he is weak according to Ahmad bin hamble who narrated his hadeeth.let us see what Scholars of Jarha and Tadeel says regarding him
a) Imam Al Mizzi mentioned
[4070] بخ م 4 علي بن زيد بن جدعان
ذكره محمد بن سعد في الطبقة الرابعة من أهل البصرة وقال: ولد وهو أعمى وكان كثير الحديث وفيه ضعف ولا يحتج به
وذكره خليفة بن خياط في الطبقة الخامسة وقال: أمه أم ولد
وقال 1 صالح بن أحمد بن حنبل عن أبيه: 1 2 ليس بالقوي 2 وقد روى الناس عنه
وقال عبد الله بن أحمد بن حنبل: سئل أبي سمع الحسن من سراقة ؟ قال: لا هذا علي بن زيد يعني يرويه كأنه لم يقنع به
وقال أيوب بن إسحاق بن سافري: سألت أحمد عن علي بن زيد فقال: ليس بشيء
وقال 1 حنبل بن إسحاق بن حنبل: سمعت أبا عبد الله 1 يقول: 2 علي بن زيد ضعيف الحديث 2
وقال 1 عثمان بن سعيد الدارمي عن يحيى بن معين: 1 2 ليس بذاك القوي 2
وقال 1 معاوية بن صالح عن يحيى بن معين: 1 2 ضعيف 2
وقال 1 أبو بكر بن أبي خيثمة عن يحيى بن معين: 1 2 ليس بذاك 2
وقال 1 مرة أخرى: 1 2 ضعيف في كل شيء 2
وقال 1 عباس الدوري عن يحيى بن معين: 1 2 ليس بشيء 2
وقال في 1 موضع آخر: 1 2 ليس بحجة 2
وقال في 1 موضع آخر: 1 2 علي بن زيد أحب إلي من ابن عقيل ومن عاصم بن عبيد الله 2
وقال 1 أحمد بن عبد الله العجلي: 1 2 يكتب حديثه وليس بالقوي 2
وقال في 1 موضع آخر: 1 2 كان يتشيع لا بأس به 2
وقال 1 يعقوب بن شيبة: 1 2 ثقة صالح الحديث 2 وإلى اللين ما هو
وقال 1 إبراهيم بن يعقوب الجوزجاني: 1 2 واهي الحديث ضعيف فيه ميل عن القصد لا يحتج بحديثه 2
وقال 1 أبو زرعة: 1 2 ليس بقوي 2
وقال 1 أبو حاتم: 1 2 ليس بقوي يكتب حديثه 2 ولا يحتج به وهو أحب إلي من يزيد بن أبي زياد وكان ضريرا وكان يتشيع
وقال 1 الترمذي: 1 2 صدوق إلا أنه ربما رفع الشيء الذي يوقفه غيره 2
وقال 1 النسائي: 1 2 ضعيف . 2
وقال 1 أبو بكر بن خزيمة: 1 2 لا أحتج به لسوء حفظه . 2
In short it says
Muhammad bin Saad said he is weak and he is not evidence,Saleh bin Ahmad bin hamble said my father said He is nothing,Ayub bin Ishaq said I asked Question from Ahmad he said He is nothing,Hamble bin Ishaq bin hamble said I heard Abu Abdullah (Ahmad bin Hamble)saying ALI BIN ZAID is Weak,Uthman Bin Saeed Darami Said from Yahya bin maieen said he is not Strong, Muawiyah bin Saleh said from Yahya bin maieen that WEAK,Abbas ad dorri said from yahya bin maieen He is nothing,Ahmad bin Abdullah ijli said His hadeeth is written and he is not Strong,Ibraheem bin yaqoob said WAHI AL HADEETH WEAK,Abu Zura'h said He is not strong ,Abu Hatim said He is nothing and his hadeeth is written and he is not hujjah and he was shia,Nisai said Weak, Abu bakar bin khuzaima said He is not evidence su al hifdh(end)
b)Hafidh Ibne Hajar Asqalani declared him weak
علي بن زيد بن عبد الله بن زهير بن عبد الله بن جدعان التيمي البصري أصله حجازي وهو المعروف بعلي بن زيد بن جدعان ينسب أبوه إلى جد جده ضعيف
Taqreeb at Tahdeeb no: 2734
c) Shaykh Shoaib al Aranoot Said
Chain is weak Due to weakness of Ali bin Zaid and he is Ibn Jad`aan (end)[Musnad Ahmad Vol 29 page 432 hadeeth 17900 with the Tahqeeq of Shoaib Al Aranoot]
Haddad Said
"6. Ibn Kathir in his history, al-Bidaya wal- Nihaya [7:91, Year 18] narrates that `Umar radi Allahu Ta'ala 'anhu sought help and relief from drought and famine in Madina by writing to `Amr ibn al-As and Abu Musa al-Ash`ari in Egypt and Basra respectively, each with the words, "Yaa ghawthaah li Ummati Muhammad! = Help! Help! for the Community of Muhammad!"
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let me ask those who are using this as evidence for asking help from dead auliyah that this very translation from g f haddad it says `Umar radi Allahu Ta'ala 'anhu sought help and relief from drought and famine in Madina by writing to `Amr ibn al-As and Abu Musa al-Ash`ari in Egypt and Basra respectively.
Point to be noted is OMAR RA WRITES a Letter not that he said YA AMR BIN AL AAS HELP me from Far away by this creed that he (Amar ra) can hear him and can help him from far away.2nd point is They were alive at that time and if someone write a letter to his friends and say HELP ME then it will never be a shirk So there is no use of this athar in calling help from dead auliyah.
Haddad then again quoted al zawahi who died in 1936 Zawahi quoted zarqani, subki etc
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Against Subki We can quote so many other Scholars
a) Shaykh ul Islam Ibne Tamiyah Ra said
وكذلك الأنبياء والصالحون، وإن كانوا أحياء في قبورهم، وإن قُدَّر أنهم يدعون للأحياء، وإن وردت به آثار، فليس لأحد أن يطلب منهم ذلك، ولم يفعل ذلك أحد من السلف، لأن ذلك ذريعة إلى الشرك بهم وعبادتهم من دون الله؛ بخلاف الطلب من أحدهم في حياته؛ فإنه لا يفضي إلى الشرك؛ ولأن ما تفعله الملائكة ويفعله الأنبياء والصالحون هو بالأمر الكوني، فلا يؤثر فيه سؤال السائلين؛ بخلاف سؤال أحدهم في حياته؛ فإنه يشرع إجابة السائل، وبعد الموت انقطع التكليف عنهم
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"similarly the prophets and righteous people, and even if they were alive in their graves, and even if they had ability to make dua for those who alive, and even if there are narrations confirming it, nevertheless no one is allowed to ask it from them and no one from salaf did it, because it's a way leading to shirk and worshiping others besides Allah, contrary to asking someone who is alive,because this one does not necessitate shirk..."[al-Majmu vol 1 page 330]
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